Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Lol. Just a guess but narcolepsy normally develops during childhood. I am guessing these were adults that suddenly developed it.
more common to have onset before age 25, but it can have onset any time in life. My point is that you have to be careful when you look at adverse effects of any medicine, whether it be blood pressure meds, vaccines, ibuprofen, etc. I write prescriptions all the time for different meds. It's unreal if you look up the side effects in the PDR for some very routine drugs. And yet people get many of these side effects all the time that aren't taking the meds.
As an example, I have patients all the time asking why they have dry mouth. I ask about meds because some meds have dry mouth as one of the first symptoms. Then they tell me that they aren't taking any meds. So that's no proof that someone with dry mouth that is also taking one of the meds with dry mouth as a side effect, has the dry mouth due to the med. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tooge:
more common to have onset before age 25, but it can have onset any time in life. My point is that you have to be careful when you look at adverse effects of any medicine, whether it be blood pressure meds, vaccines, ibuprofen, etc. I write prescriptions all the time for different meds. It's unreal if you look up the side effects in the PDR for some very routine drugs. And yet people get many of these side effects all the time that aren't taking the meds.
As an example, I have patients all the time asking why they have dry mouth. I ask about meds because some meds have dry mouth as one of the first symptoms. Then they tell me that they aren't taking any meds. So that's no proof that someone with dry mouth that is also taking one of the meds with dry mouth as a side effect, has the dry mouth due to the med.
I have dry mouth and I take no meds. No matter how much I drink the night before I always wake up with dry mouth. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
speaking of history.
Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. 9/11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
this is not true at all. You are talking covid deaths only on those days. If you want most deadly days, and you include all deaths, you are way off. In 2017, the average deaths per day in the US was 7700 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I have dry mouth and I take no meds. No matter how much I drink the night before I always wake up with dry mouth.
Much of it has to do with age. We often lose salivary flow as we age. Our salivary glands also produce way less saliva when we sleep than when we are awake. Or, you must have gotten the Covid vaccine [Reply]
Originally Posted by tooge:
this is not true at all. You are talking covid deaths only on those days. If you want most deadly days, and you include all deaths, you are way off. In 2017, the average deaths per day in the US was 7700 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm
Originally Posted by tooge:
more common to have onset before age 25, but it can have onset any time in life. My point is that you have to be careful when you look at adverse effects of any medicine, whether it be blood pressure meds, vaccines, ibuprofen, etc. I write prescriptions all the time for different meds. It's unreal if you look up the side effects in the PDR for some very routine drugs. And yet people get many of these side effects all the time that aren't taking the meds.
As an example, I have patients all the time asking why they have dry mouth. I ask about meds because some meds have dry mouth as one of the first symptoms. Then they tell me that they aren't taking any meds. So that's no proof that someone with dry mouth that is also taking one of the meds with dry mouth as a side effect, has the dry mouth due to the med.
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
speaking of history.
Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. 9/11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
OK I get that a lot of deaths have been occurring lately, BUT do not quote a daily death total from this virus with the idea the "X amount of people died on that date". It has been widely known almost since the start of this thing that a significant backlog has existed. X amount of deaths reported on a given date can be significantly different than X amount of deaths actually happened on a given date. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kgrund:
OK I get that a lot of deaths have been occurring lately, BUT do not quote a daily death total from this virus with the idea the "X amount of people died on that date". It has been widely known almost since the start of this thing that a significant backlog has existed. X amount of deaths reported on a given date can be significantly different than X amount of deaths actually happened on a given date.
And we have the rolling seven day average, which shows that it's higher now than ever before, unfortunately. [Reply]
