Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by notorious:
There is no doubt leaders in some areas took things way too far.
Some of the rules in Michigan were flat-out insane. They didn't help with stopping the spread, they only assisted in pissing off people and nudging them to rebel.
Did you see her husband tried getting a boat out this weekend which violated her order. Poor Michigan peasants. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Who knew dip shit governors were sending infected patients into nursing homes?
The mistake Italy made was admitting too many covid patients in hospital, it was a no win situation, if patients are healthy enough to go home you discharge them , unfortunately their home s are full of at risk people keeping them in hospital is a risks as well and some hospitals needed the spots . [Reply]
The "pool party" at the Lake of the Ozarks is being reported in some very misleading ways. My question was, "Who posted the original video?" So. Little digging. A Phoenix reporter interviewed several establishment owners on the Thursday before Memorial Day weekend and posted some of his interview clips on Thursday evening and Friday. Establishments were taking temperatures before allowing people to enter and tubs of hand sanitizers were kept in multiple locations. It is clear that the intent of the reporter was to see how "social distancing" played out during the weekend. And, the entire world now believes that the Lake and Osage Beach had absolutely "zero regard" for CDC guidelines.
Let me just say: (1) the initial visual of the pool party looks bad; (2) once again, the mass media is filling people's eyes and minds with biased coverage; (3) the Lake traffic masses come from metro/urban areas...for the most part...from St. Louis and W Illinois, Kansas City and E Kansas, Des Moines, Iowa, and E Nebraska cities like Omaha and Lincoln; (4) one is more likely to come away from the Lake parties with a sexually transmitted disease.
While I don't have a dog in this race, I think there are bigger fish to fry with Covid-19. It is more likely that folks will come into contact with the virus on the way to or from the Lake. Sun, humid and hot air, bleach are all deterrents to the virus. The pool party had sun, hot and humid air, and chlorinated water in the pool. The Lake is a perennial cesspool for E. coli since people pee and poop in the Lake at while. There's more to be worried about than Covid-19.
Here's the link to the original reporter story and embedded are some of his before the "pool party" event. https://www.kshb.com/…/partygoer-des...he-ozar…
Meanwhile, we have to carry on with life. History has proven that one cannot fix stupid. And that stupidity runs both ways...tourism and media traps. Many more rural areas across the USA are cancelling community rodeos and some communities are moving ahead with rodeo season plans. Liability insurance and fiscal breakevens are a concern for the smaller venue rodeos. Plus, animal activists are ratcheting up their game plans to target rodeo and agriculture events (like county and state fairs). I hope people just admit that propaganda is now more at play than ever before. My hope is, "This too shall pass."
I'll be home working and taking advantage of my social distancing and personal health. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The mistake Italy made was admitting too many covid patients in hospital, it was a no win situation, if patients are healthy enough to go home you discharge them , unfortunately their home s are full of at risk people keeping them in hospital is a risks as well and some hospitals needed the spots .
Or maybe the mayor of Florence should have thought of something else..........lol
Originally Posted by :
Results
The median contact time for patients was four days and that for family members was five days. Cardiovascular disease accounted for 25% among original diseases of patients. Apart from hospital staffs, both patients and family members were isolated medically. During the quarantine, seven patients plus one family member appeared new respiratory symptoms, where fever was the most common one. The blood counts in most contacts were within a normal range. All CT images showed no sign of COVID-19 infection. No severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections was detected in 455 contacts by nucleic acid test.
Conclusion
In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.
Edit: :-) I just noticed how CP translated the link. I did not do that and the link works but :-)
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
I see you’re here to boast about provisional numbers. Are you going to address your overreactive opinion that everyone should wear N95 masks even if healthy as well or are you still sticking with this idiotic belief?
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.
We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.
I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go. [Reply]
Edit: :-) I just noticed how CP translated the link. I did not do that and the link works but :-)
Someone wanna translate???
One asymptomatic person had 455 contacts (very loosely defined) and none of them developed COVID-19.
The patient's lab values were all within normal limits.
A quick perusal of her contacts suggests that most of them weren't really contacts at all. Half of the contacts were ED staff, who were wearing full protective gear including N95 masks, gowns, and goggles.
It also says that 196 of her contacts were family members, but doesn't state how long or how close they were in contact.
I don't think this is of any real value at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.
We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.
I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go.
Thank you.
I mean neurotic ideas like this are popping up everywhere. So yes, while I agree some people definitely under reacted these types of overreactions aren’t the way to counterbalance that. [Reply]
Her husband tried to go boating, and was stopped by some other citizens. The irony of how some certain states have handled this compared to other states cannot be understated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by notorious:
There is no doubt leaders in some areas took things way too far.
Some of the rules in Michigan were flat-out insane. They didn't help with stopping the spread, they only assisted in pissing off people and nudging them to rebel.
It has been a complete failure of leadership from the get go. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.
We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.
I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go.
Just so I understand your POV....
Your take is, no matter the geography or where the outbreaks are occurring, there should be standardized rules for masking up when out and about during C & F season? [Reply]
