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Washington DC and The Holy Land>Conservatives, do you support the DNCís 16í and 20í efforts to derail Bernie
Chiefspants 10:45 PM 02-25-2020
Honest reacts only
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Otter 07:04 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
America is about to see why the GOP is so obsessed with suppressing voter turnout.
And just what legal voters who actually have the right to vote in the AMERICAN system are being suppressed?
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stevieray 07:04 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
The GOP has only won the popular vote once in 30 years. And you guys finally went full insane after 40byeara of flirting with it.

America is about to see why the GOP is so obsessed with suppressing voter turnout.

/a coward who only posts lame responses is saying other runs away... lol
Its not about popularity, ninny. Just to Dims.

America HAS already seen why the left is obsessed with giving illegals a red carpet to America.

Lame response? You HAVE no rebuttal. A lifelong politician got beat by a rookie.
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Otter 07:13 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Loneiguana:
America is about to see why the GOP is so obsessed with suppressing voter turnout.
Are these the VOTERS IN AMERICAN SOCIETY you feel are being oppressed winner of the idiot award 4 times running?

Feel free to slink away in your rat hole until this post falls like you always do. No one expects much of integrity from you.

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The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens
11-13 minutes

December 1999

The following is an overview of federal law on hiring and harboring illegal aliens. It is not a substitute for professional legal counsel in specific situations.
Summary

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:

assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,

encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.


Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.
Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States.1 It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work.2 Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified.3

It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements.4 Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with 3 days advance notice, they must be made available for inspection.

Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home.5Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law.6

An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor.7 The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements.8

If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.9

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts.10 Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer, that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force.11 Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance. Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien workforce of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.12

It is illegal for non-profit and religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist aliens.13Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment.14

It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to 5 years.15
Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law.16 Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally.17 The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally, but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien’s illegal employment.18 Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. 19

It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien’s entry or residence is in violation of the law.20 This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that “encouraging” includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious “errors”.21 The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities “without delay” upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to 20 years imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death “of any person,” the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. 22 Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored.23 A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a “victim” under the Victim and Witness Protection Act.24

Conspiracy to commit the crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years imprisonment.25
Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third party complaints that have “a reasonable probability of validity.”26

Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.27

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is “no extant federal limitation” on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws.28

Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous or erratic behavior, dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship, and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient.29 Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer’s consent to enter work places or residences.30

Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.31

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).32 The “pattern of racketeering” activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO “enterprise” can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include non-profit associations.

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or social security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or social security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions.33

U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than 3 employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice.34

In addition to the federal statutes summarized above, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.
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JohnnyHammersticks 07:33 AM 02-26-2020
It's like asking people if they care about the 3rd place game at the Final Four.
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FlaChief58 07:46 AM 02-26-2020
It doesn't matter who the libtards trot out there President Trump will wipe the floor with whomever it is.
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Buehler445 07:50 AM 02-26-2020
Didn’t vote, but here’s my opinion.

There is such a shocking level of bad faith at virtually every operational aspect of the federal government that I have no fucking clue what I should support or not.
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notorious 08:00 AM 02-26-2020
I will never support the establishment doing crooked things to remove power from the people.

The majority of the Dem voter base supports or thinks positively about socialism anyway.

They should let this turd run it’s course.
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RodeoPants2 08:11 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Over Yonder:
I don't really know what shenanigans they are pulling this go around, so I can't speak to that. I have no intentions of voting for anybody on that side of the ball, so I'm not paying close attention.

But I will say that I think the DNC should be able to pick their candidate as they see fit. Plus Bernie doesn't claim to be a Democrat (to my knowledge at least) so if that's true, I don't see where they are obligated to treat him fairly.
Yup
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NJChiefsFan27 08:26 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
Yup
Nothing would guarantee a Trump victory more than stealing the nomination from the most popular candidate to give to one of these boring, status quo Democrats.
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Chiefspants 08:34 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by cosmo20002:
You're asking if conservatives support something the DNC is (allegedly) doing?
Who gives a shit if conservatives approve of what the DNC does?
Honestly, last night a lot of conservatives seemed to tacitly acknowledge that the DNC was going in on derailing Bernie in last night's debate thread. I thought it'd be interesting to see what they thought of an opposing party going after a their candidate who (so far) has the most support from its voters.
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NJChiefsFan27 08:37 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
I don't support the process they've put in place to weed out wackier candidates by giving elites a lot more say than voters, mainly because it's worked. It almost put Hillary in the White House. But I don't mind that Sanders seems to be able to beat the semi-rigged system since he's just going to send them to defeat at all levels, and hopefully put socialism back on the ash heap of history.
Think whatever you want of Bernie, but to think that his defeat would stop the spread of his ideas is laughable. That's not just being out of touch, that's lacking common sense. His voters are younger and are extremely skeptical of power and the media. You think their response to his loss would just be "oh darn, I guess they were right, socialism really is bad!"? You are delusional if you think that's how this plays out. His base's righteous anger and contempt for the status quo will only intensify.
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Pennywise 08:42 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Think whatever you want of Bernie, but to think that his defeat would stop the spread of his ideas is laughable. That's not just being out of touch, that's lacking common sense. His voters are younger and are extremely skeptical of power and the media. You think their response to his loss would just be "oh darn, I guess they were right, socialism really is bad!"? You are delusional if you think that's how this plays out. His base's righteous anger and contempt for the status quo will only intensify.
That's exactly what happened last cycle. You let your crazy guy get fucked over by Hillary and the DNC and went back home to your skinny jeans without a peep.
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Eleazar 08:42 AM 02-26-2020
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan27:
Think whatever you want of Bernie, but to think that his defeat would stop the spread of his ideas is laughable. That's not just being out of touch, that's lacking common sense. His voters are younger and are extremely skeptical of power and the media. You think their response to his loss would just be "oh darn, I guess they were right, socialism really is bad!"? You are delusional if you think that's how this plays out. His base's righteous anger and contempt for the status quo will only intensify.
I think the comment has more to do with his people believing they are a majority, when in actual fact, they're a small group.
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Eleazar 09:03 AM 02-26-2020
I heard a discussion this morning about a poll showing Sanders with a narrow lead in Texas. However this poll (the name of which I didn't catch) had second-choice information and showed that if Bloomberg were not in the race, Biden would be winning by 5 or 6 there.

Unfortunately for the Ds, Biden is still polling ahead in SC, so the chances of him dropping out before Super Tuesday seem slim (if they weren't already), and Bloomberg has no reason to do so either.

They are going to find themselves in a position where people trying to advance their brand or lobbying for a VP nom or a cabinet position are dividing the majority vote too much, and not dropping out until it's too late.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 09:27 AM 02-26-2020
16' and 20' efforts... Are we talking pole vault here? :-)
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