Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
So went to dinner last night and here is what I experienced: Various people had on masks including all of the workers. Most of the workers were touching their masks at some point. The customers who had them on wore them in, took them off when they were seated and I noticed a couple of people put them on when they went to the bathroom then again take them back off when they got back to their table.
So probably decent from protecting others from them hacking all over the place but they definitely are not doing themselves any favors at all with all the touching of their masks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I read somewhere the average children per household for educated couple was1.5 and for non educated it was 3.5 so things are only going to get worse.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I agree it was stupid for the person to show up if they were symptomatic. Now, define symptomatic because in this case we don't know what it is, right? Was it symptoms easily confused with allergies during a bad allergy season? Was she running a fever? Coughing?
We will never know At this stage in the game, stay the **** home and listen I realize this person probably needs to make money but cmon.
When I go back into the office I am going to be the symptom Nazi. I had a co-worker in the office across from me that her and her husband went on a cruise in late Jan-early February. She came back and coughed non stop for 2 weeks. That shit ain't happening anymore. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We will never know At this stage in the game, stay the **** home and listen I realize this person probably needs to make money but cmon.
When I go back into the office I am going to be the symptom Nazi. I had a co-worker in the office across from me that her and her husband went on a cruise in late Jan-early February. She came back and coughed non stop for 2 weeks. That shit ain't happening anymore.
Dude sorry it just isn't that simple. People have to eat and pay bills. "Just stay home" just isn't that easy. Now if this person was running a fever and stuff yeah, stay home. But if she had mild symptoms easily confused with allergies and no fever what the fuck do you expect?
I'll tell you now you be the Nazi. You'll be good at it, I am sure. But in our very own health system if you don't have a fever you get in the door. It's up to you to decide if you have other symptoms.
So as I said "fever" is the key here and always has been. If this person wasn't running a fever we need to know that and what her "symptoms" really were. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
We will never know At this stage in the game, stay the **** home and listen I realize this person probably needs to make money but cmon.
When I go back into the office I am going to be the symptom Nazi. I had a co-worker in the office across from me that her and her husband went on a cruise in late Jan-early February. She came back and coughed non stop for 2 weeks. That shit ain't happening anymore.
One of the things that I've had confirmed in all this is that some people are incredibly selfish and don't handle stress well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler: When I go back into the office I am going to be the symptom Nazi. I had a co-worker in the office across from me that her and her husband went on a cruise in late Jan-early February. She came back and coughed non stop for 2 weeks. That shit ain't happening anymore.
Good luck with that. You will have to be extremely careful or someone will file a complaint against you for harassment. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Has the state removed the limits on people in gatherings and distancing?
I don't think that they have. If they have not then the management of this place and others that are allowing this type of "behavior" should be held accountable for allowing this to continue.
FWIW...
Apparently, there was signage encouraging the 6' rule. I talked to someone who was there the day before that claims the 6' sign in the other pictures you see being floated around is not photoshopped. They also said you wouldn't believe how many of the license plates were from Illinois. He's a typical lake douche, so he very well could be filling me full of shit and the pictures are totally fake, but he said the place was definitely full. [Reply]
Apparently, there was signage encouraging the 6' rule. I talked to someone who was there the day before that claims the 6' sign in the other pictures you see being floated around is not photoshopped. They also said you wouldn't believe how many of the license plates were from Illinois. He's a typical lake douche, so he very well could be filling me full of shit and the pictures are totally fake, but he said the place was definitely full.
Hamas and Mecca both have polls that say that place was not full and people are scared to go out! [Reply]
We are not going to stay home and stay publicly apart for more than a year while waiting for a vaccine (even early 2021 is thought to be optimistic). We could have aggressively locked down and quarantined anyone with symptoms in February, like other nations successfully did. Once we failed to do that, by March it was too late.
When the NFL and college football starts up, the people are going to collectively go "ok damn it, enough of this, let us assume the risk", and not want to listen to arguments about how they would therefore be infecting people at home or the store who didn't want to take the risk. [Reply]
Originally Posted by alnorth:
We are not going to stay home and stay publicly apart for more than a year while waiting for a vaccine (even early 2021 is thought to be optimistic). We could have aggressively locked down and quarantined anyone with symptoms in February, like other nations successfully did. Once we failed to do that, by March it was too late.
When the NFL and college football starts up, the people are going to collectively go "ok damn it, enough of this, let us assume the risk", and not want to listen to arguments about how they would therefore be infecting people at home or the store who didn't want to take the risk.
You nailed this part at least. People can cry and complain but you spoke the truth is your 2nd paragraph. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Dude sorry it just isn't that simple. People have to eat and pay bills. "Just stay home" just isn't that easy. Now if this person was running a fever and stuff yeah, stay home. But if she had mild symptoms easily confused with allergies and no fever what the **** do you expect?
I'll tell you now you be the Nazi. You'll be good at it, I am sure. But in our very own health system if you don't have a fever you get in the door. It's up to you to decide if you have other symptoms.
So as I said "fever" is the key here and always has been. If this person wasn't running a fever we need to know that and what her "symptoms" really were.
Right now at work they send anybody home with any symptoms or even without if they have travelled out if province , I understand my work might be different . [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Right now at work they send anybody home with any symptoms or even without if they have travelled out if province , I understand my work might be different .
Define symptoms? And I think if people heard you constantly coughing or whatever you would get sent home. But the requirement to walk through the door is no fever. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Not surprised that the kind of people that frequent the lake would also be the kind of people that don’t give a shit about public health.
Shithole lake and shittier people that visit it. White Trash Mecca.
Not quite as bad as the type of people who stereotype a group of people by the area they live in. I fish the area at least a dozen times per year and the people there are GREAT. Unlike yourself, they're very personable and don't spend their life on a pedestal looking down on others. [Reply]