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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Chief Pagan 03:36 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
My mother-in-law lives with us. I’m 100% certain she’s safer there than anywhere else. That’s just one household though.
Right. And not every one has that option particularly as their health deteriorates and they need more nursing care.

But even if an elderly person doesn't need assisted living, it isn't practical for most to isolate.

My mom still lives in her own house. Groceries could be delivered but she has a lot of doctor visits to treat the various things that come along with old age.

And they are not all to hospitals. For instance she has recently had several visits regarding a hearing aid. There is just no way to isolate the elderly from the rest of society while still taking care of their health.
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htismaqe 03:44 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Right. And not every one has that option particularly as their health deteriorates and they need more nursing care.

But even if an elderly person doesn't need assisted living, it isn't practical for most to isolate.

My mom still lives in her own house. Groceries could be delivered but she has a lot of doctor visits to treat the various things that come along with old age.

And they are not all to hospitals. For instance she has recently had several visits regarding a hearing aid. There is just no way to isolate the elderly from the rest of society while still taking care of their health.
I never said it was convenient and it certainly requires a significant amount of sacrifice. It may not be practical for everyone but to pretend it’s impossible isn’t being honest. The problem is that a large majority of people simply don’t want to sacrifice anything. We live in a society where pursuit of pennies and pleasure trumps everything else. “Somebody else will eventually step in and pick up the tab so why should I put myself out?”
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TLO 07:26 PM 08-08-2020
Numbers down from last Saturday.
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petegz28 07:35 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Numbers down from last Saturday.
Nice

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Chiefnj2 08:42 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I kept It as medical as possible , so I won’t elaborate.
It wasn’t political.
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Discuss Thrower 11:01 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Numbers down from last Saturday.
No they aren't.
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Chief Pagan 11:10 PM 08-08-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I never said it was convenient and it certainly requires a significant amount of sacrifice. It may not be practical for everyone but to pretend it’s impossible isn’t being honest. The problem is that a large majority of people simply don’t want to sacrifice anything. We live in a society where pursuit of pennies and pleasure trumps everything else. “Somebody else will eventually step in and pick up the tab so why should I put myself out?”
I perhaps should have broken up my post so it wasn't all directed at yours.

Yes, I agree that it would be better if people were less selfish. Taking care of vulnerable populations deserves more resources than it gets even in normal times.

And on a different note, if you want to provide health care to people that are 75+ in age, there is just no way to keep them isolated. Spending more money for instance wouldn't reduce the number of people that need to be seen by the elderly population like my mom. Even with reasonably good health there is the hearing aid specialist and the eye doctor and the skin doctor and the dentist and the physical therapist for shoulder surgery and another hip replacement and all the PT and therapy that involves and the list goes on.

Just a bunch of routine stuff for treating old age. You can't quarantine this population for three months+ and also take care of their health.
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petegz28 07:50 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Numbers down from last Saturday.
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
No they aren't.
Actually TLO is correct unless my math sucks. Let's check...

Last Saturday:

Cases = 58,535
Deaths = 1,123

This Saturday:

Cases = 54,199
Deaths = 976



I don't see how you can say he is not correct......
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Monticore 08:26 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
I perhaps should have broken up my post so it wasn't all directed at yours.

Yes, I agree that it would be better if people were less selfish. Taking care of vulnerable populations deserves more resources than it gets even in normal times.

And on a different note, if you want to provide health care to people that are 75+ in age, there is just no way to keep them isolated. Spending more money for instance wouldn't reduce the number of people that need to be seen by the elderly population like my mom. Even with reasonably good health there is the hearing aid specialist and the eye doctor and the skin doctor and the dentist and the physical therapist for shoulder surgery and another hip replacement and all the PT and therapy that involves and the list goes on.

Just a bunch of routine stuff for treating old age. You can't quarantine this population for three months+ and also take care of their health.

They didn’t implement lockdowns because of what it was doing to the elderly with low quality of life living in homes , they did it because of what it was doing to active 40-80 year old with co-morbidities which is a a large part of the population and that is hard to isolate like your mom , my dad for the reasons you mentioned.

A 40 year old spending 2 weeks on a vent is possibly going to reduce life expectancy and their quality of life more than a 89 year old in a home dying .
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dirk digler 09:21 AM 08-09-2020
Duke did a study on masks which you find here.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...b-figures-data

The results are obviously N95 and surgical masks did the best, homemade cotton masks did very well and the worst are bandanas and fleece. Actually fleece was worse than not wearing a mask at all.
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Bwana 10:06 AM 08-09-2020
Over 250K at Sturgis packed shoulder to shoulder and I haven't seen a mask yet in any of the videos. That place is going to be a rona factory.
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petegz28 10:54 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by Bwana:
Over 250K at Sturgis packed shoulder to shoulder and I haven't seen a mask yet in any of the videos. That place is going to be a rona factory.
You get a Rona and you get a Rona and you get a Rona!!!!
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suzzer99 11:35 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
So you're denying that what ethical skeptic is saying is rational?
ES never says anything clearly enough to really affirm or deny. First of all you have to guess at what exactly he means, which means someone else can always say "no, that's not what he means at all".

What do you think he's saying in that tweet?
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Kman34 11:36 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Duke did a study on masks which you find here.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...b-figures-data

The results are obviously N95 and surgical masks did the best, homemade cotton masks did very well and the worst are bandanas and fleece. Actually fleece was worse than not wearing a mask at all.
How long before somebody posts that stupid video of the guy saying they don’t work??
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jdubya 11:37 AM 08-09-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You get a Rona and you get a Rona and you get a Rona!!!!
and we all will get a rona. Running away from this is like running away from the common cold....almost impossible. We will all eventually get a rona or a vaccine or both. Each time it mutates we hope it gets a little less virulent each time. We all just need to live with this and use precautions when we can.
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