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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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In58men 11:52 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Is he still day to day?
Got downgraded to week to week now
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chiefforlife 11:54 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Is he still day to day?
I believe he was upgraded to "Literally day to day".
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Sassy Squatch 01:14 PM 10-31-2018
For what its worth.

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If the playoffs started today, Berry would be playing. It’s a pain tolerance issue. They’re saving him for the stretch run. Houston and Sorensen back soon. Dorian O’Daniel is coming on as a playmaker. The defense is getting there.
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BigBeauford 01:17 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
For what its worth.

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If the playoffs started today, Berry would be playing. It’s a pain tolerance issue. They’re saving him for the stretch run. Houston and Sorensen back soon. Dorian O’Daniel is coming on as a playmaker. The defense is getting there.
I am sure his teammates busting ass every week in practice, in these regular season games, all while playing through their own injuries will just be tickled when he comes back just in time to only play in the post season. He had better blow our socks off.
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bowener 01:21 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
For what its worth.

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If the playoffs started today, Berry would be playing. It’s a pain tolerance issue. They’re saving him for the stretch run. Houston and Sorensen back soon. Dorian O’Daniel is coming on as a playmaker. The defense is getting there.
This Chiefs team is giving me the vibe of the 2007 Colts with Bob Sanders and their defenses marked improvement in the postseason. I think once the playoffs roll around the defense is going to step it up. They just have to be average and they can beat anyone.
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saphojunkie 01:22 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
For what its worth.

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If the playoffs started today, Berry would be playing. It’s a pain tolerance issue. They’re saving him for the stretch run. Houston and Sorensen back soon. Dorian O’Daniel is coming on as a playmaker. The defense is getting there.
Who is that?
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Mecca 01:23 PM 10-31-2018
Eric Berry he is like the new Bob Sanders.
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Sassy Squatch 01:23 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by saphojunkie:
Who is that?
He broke the Watkins signing, money and years, a half day before it was public
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Coach 01:37 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Eric Berry he is like the new expensive Bob Sanders.
Fixed your post.
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OKchiefs 01:42 PM 10-31-2018
So why did we never fucking put him on IR if he was never expected to play?

I'm calling bullshit.
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Marcellus 01:47 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
So why did we never ****ing put him on IR if he was never expected to play?

I'm calling bullshit.
Nobody has said he was never expected to play.
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srvy 01:52 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
GUYS!!, here's a little perspective. Joey Bosa stopped practising WEEKS BEFORE Eric went down. There was talk that he "might return" in the season opener against our beloved Chiefs until he was sighted with a foot brace on days before the game and was promptly ruled out. So now weeks go by and he saw several doctors. The Bolt fans were excited to hear that he would "definetly" be back AFTER their bye week. Well that week just passed and whats the latest news? Apparently HE'S NOWHERE NEAR READY according to reports. Is he a "coward"? Is he "never coming back"? Is he "just sitting on the sidelines picking up a cheque"? Hmmm I wonder :-)

The moral of the story is some injuries take way longer to heal than expected. At least Berry is with his team mates and is doing a lot of gym work by all accounts. Bosa is not even at that stage yet. And some fear he may not play until mid December if at all. So folks need to chill the fuck out and have some patience.
Are you some sort of Frenchy?
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Iczer 01:55 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
For what its worth.

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If the playoffs started today, Berry would be playing. It’s a pain tolerance issue. They’re saving him for the stretch run. Houston and Sorensen back soon. Dorian O’Daniel is coming on as a playmaker. The defense is getting there.
This has me confused. What's the long term scenario with Berry then? Are we going to sit him every year until playoffs and then just pump him full of pain killers now? Does he need surgery or no?
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OKchiefs 01:58 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Nobody has said he was never expected to play.
That tweet implied that he'd play if the playoffs were today, and that we were holding him out to be careful. That's fine, but if you go off that belief then why has he been kept on the roster if they were holding him out for later on purpose?

It's also a stupid plan, considering we're one loss and a Patriots win away from losing home field advantage. They're going to look awfully stupid if/when we end up losing a game late because of a breakdown in coverage in the secondary that Berry could have prevented.
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OKchiefs 02:00 PM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Iczer:
This has me confused. What's the long term scenario with Berry then? Are we going to sit him every year until playoffs and then just pump him full of pain killers now? Does he need surgery or no?
He had this exact same heel issue last year, likely leading to overcompensation with his other foot and his eventual Achilles tear. Somehow the geniuses on our medical staff didn't think to inspect his heel more closely and solve the problem in the offseason when he could have recovered in time for the season.
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