More trade news: The #Chiefs are deep in talks with the #49ers on a trade for star pass-rusher Dee Ford, sources say. Things have escalated and this could get done by the end of the night. Ford needs to work out a new contract with SF, which is a big piece of this.
He’s an incomplete player. He’s talking now about how he wasn’t heavy enough last year because of an offseason injury, and that’s why his run D suffered “a little.”
Lol... what player in the league is a complete player? If that's your standard then Kelce (not a good blocker), Hill (Not a great route runner or blocker, and
his height limits his effectiveness in the redzone), Jones (bad against the run. takes plays off) are all gone. And we should have NEVER signed Mathieu considering his weakness in pass coverage, and lack of prototypical size.
They can draft a player who fits better Year 1 at the LEO and improved the run D, and spread the money round to other spots and come out ahead overall.
Yeah because elite edge rushers are available at pick #29. Better odds of finding a safety and spreading the money round to other spots and come out ahead overall.
Give me a Sweat/Omenihu/etc. in the draft and a situational pass rusher in FA (Shane Ray, Markus Golden, etc) and another vet CB or S, and ill take that over Ford and just the draft.
LOL... see I knew I wasn't debating someone rational... neither of those guys are falling to the Chiefs... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama: Your long-term fandom of Ford is coloring the glasses you use to view him.
Actually, I hated taking Dee in the first round. As an Auburn fan I knew of his elite quickness off the line but I also knew of his deficiencies against the run and in pass coverage.
Yes, he has had two good pass rush seasons. Out of five in the NFL. Consistently elite as a pass rusher? One out of five seasons of elite pass rusher performance does not equal that.
Players don't get better with experience??? You just gloss over the fact that his last those two double digit sack seasons are 2 of the last 3, and the one season he didn't was shortened by injury.
Mathieu is coming off back-to-back full seasons. Watkins is definitely a consistent and ongoing injury concern, but he also amps up the Chiefs offense to a different level, which was the point in getting him.
I would take Dee at $16MM for one year over both of those deals. And I think that's what y'all are missing. We are trying up our money on the least valuable positions (WR/SS/ILB), with players who have injury concerns, and letting more valuable guys walk for the same reasons.
We basically swapped Dee for Mathieu. Cap space is basically the same, and I don't think there would be too much of a difference between the compensatory pick we would get for letting Dee go NEXT year and the second we received in exchange (which is NEXT YEAR TOO). Pass rushers are coveted so the odds of a comparable edge rusher falling to us in the draft is far lower than us landing a Honey Badger type talent.
So, we've potentially sacrificed our pass rush for what? I don't see what we've gained.
The comp pick for Ford would be end of the third round in 2021. Basically a 4th. Which equates to 5th round value in next year’s 2020 draft. That’s a large difference in value.
What I think you’re missing is that Ford clearly doesn’t mesh well with what Spagnuolo wants to do, or he would have been retained. That the money spent on Ford can be spread around on other players who do fit and who are complete players in this system.
Tying up money on ages 28-32 seasons of a guy who has been healthy and productive 40 percent of the time from 23-27 and who is a complete liability against the run is dangerous, too, regardless of position. [Reply]