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Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Rain Man 08:02 AM 06-26-2019
Originally Posted by kccrow:
We can trade a 2020 6th for LB Darron Lee if we so choose, just food for thought for everyone.

I'm in on that one.
Good point. I'll be delighted to make that trade.
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listopencil 03:20 PM 06-28-2019
Hey Rainman, is this an ermine?








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Rain Man 03:36 PM 06-28-2019
Wow, that's an awesome ermine.

What a team mascot that would make.
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wazu 08:45 PM 08-21-2019
I'm regretting already that I didn't just go along with Frank Clark.
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Rain Man 09:58 PM 08-21-2019
Originally Posted by wazu:
I'm regretting already that I didn't just go along with Frank Clark.
Yeah, maybe so. None of my guys so far has captured a starting job, which I guess I should expect by trading down. But I think I'm a genius by making these moves.
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Rain Man 05:35 PM 09-01-2019
Time to do our cutdowns to the 53-man roster.

Here is my final roster. I had some very painful cuts, which makes me happy. I've got some weaknesses, but I've got enough strengths that I had to cut some strong players.

QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Easton Stick (Chargers)
Nathan Peterman (Raiders)

My depth is young and unproven, but my starter is very strong.

RB
Alvin Kamara (Saints)
Rashaad Penny (Seahawks)
Damien Williams
Lesean McCoy
Justin Jackson (Chargers)

I managed to turn this from a weakness into a powerhouse. I'm very happy with this group.

WR
Sammy Watkins
Donte Moncrief (Jaguars)
James Washington (Steelers)
Andy Isabella (Cardinals)
Kelvin Harmon (Redskins)

I need Watkins to have a good year. I've got young ascending guys who could turn this into a strong unit, but right now it's mediocre at best.

TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Isaac Nauta (Lions)
Caleb Wilson (Cardinals)

Kelce and two practice-squad rookies. I did this to myself. I'll be using lots of running backs and receivers.

OT
Mitchell Schwartz (Browns/Chiefs)
Morgan Moses (Redskins)
Tyrell Crosby (Lions)

Schwartz is still out of position at LT, but he can do it and Moses is decent. Crosby is a backup LT. I'm fine here.

G
Cody Whitehair (Bears)
Michael Jordan (Bengals)
Andrew Wylie
Wyatt Teller (Browns)

Whitehair got moved to G, which surprised me. Jordan won a starting job as a rookie, and Wylie is a starter. Teller just got traded but is battling for a starting job. I'm in good shape here.

C
Austin Reiter

I thought Whitehair was my center, but he got moved. Reiter claims the starting spot. I'll be fine.

K
Harrison Butker
P
Dustin Colquitt
LS
James Winchester

Best specialist team ever.

FS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)

The guy's been a rock for me for a decade. He's good.

SS
Tyrann Matthieu
Jordan Poyer (Bills)

Got a nice free agent, which lets me use Poyer as swing depth. Poyer has started at both SS and FS.

CB
Desmond King (Chargers)
Marcus Peters (Rams)
Kendall Fuller
Bashaud Breeland

I'm strong here, though King and Fuller are both slot guys. I can make this group successful.

OLB
AJ Klein (Saints)
Damien Wilson
Anthony Hitchens
Jaylon Ferguson (Ravens)
Darron Lee
Sutton Smith (Steelers)

Well, I've got numbers on my side here. I keep trying to find playmakers here, but I'll settle for solid.

MLB
Zach Brown (Eagles)
Reggie Ragland
Ben Niemann

Zach Brown has been my guy forever. He'll do great.

DE
Alex Okafor
Anthony Nelson (Buccaneers)
Dorance Armstrong (Cowboys)
Taco Charlton (Cowboys)
Ifeadi Odenigbo (Vikings)

Still trying to put some ends on the field. Okafor is my starter on one side, and I think Nelson will be the other starter, though it could be Armstrong. Charlton has been a disappointing first-round pick, but he's holding a backup spot.

DT
Andrew Billings (Bengals)
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Maurice Hurst (Raiders)
Star Lotulelei (Bills)
Joey Ivie

We're strong in the middle. Got a good combo of established veterans and young players.

My cuts are as follows. My tough final 10 percent of cuts are in green.

Spoiler!

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kccrow 10:34 PM 09-01-2019


Some tough decisions this year and this is a work in progress. I'm not happy with my D-line depth but overall I think the team is improving.

Post-Draft Moves:
Accept trade of UDFA CB Mark Fields to Minnesota Vikings for 2020 7th Round Pick
Accept trade of FA RB Carlos Hyde to Houston Texans for OL Martinas Rankin
Accept trade of 2020 6th Round Pick to New York Jets for LB Darron Lee

Draft Tab:
2020 1, 2, 2 f/SF (D. Ford), 3, 4, 5, 7
2021 Additional 7 f/MIN (M. Fields)


2019 Roster

OFFENSE (25)

QB - Patrick Mahomes (#1-10/17 - KC)
QB - Matt Moore (FA/19 - KC)

I've been running 2 QBs for a few years now, so no change here with Mahomes being an ace.

RB - Aaron Jones (#5-180/17 - GB)
RB - Christopher Carson (#7-245/17 - SEA)
RB - LeSean McCoy (FA/19 - KC)

Still have a good solid stable of backs with Jones and Carson, both starters, and McCoy coming in.

FB - Anthony Sherman

The tank keeps on truckin.

TE - Travis Kelce
TE - Deon Yelder (FA/19 - KC)
TE - Alize Mack (#6-214/19 - NO/PS)

Kept a practice squad guy I drafted in Mack over Blake Bell. Not much here outside of Kelce, but hoping the youngsters develop.

WR - Tyler Boyd (#2-37/16 - CIN)
WR - Sammy Watkins (FA/18 - KC)
WR - Rashard Higgins (#5-162/16 - CLE)
WR - Olabisi Johnson (#7-243/19 - MIN)
WR - Cody Thompson (CF/19 - KC/PS)

Went shy on the receivers this year. Boyd and Watkins are a solid 1-2. Higgins will do his normal solid contribution I'd think. Johnson looks like he might snag the #3 role in Minnesota, so I'm hopeful there. Went with Thompson on the PS in KC as #5 since I really had no other options outside of DAT. I think he'll develop and end up on the 53 at some point.

OT - Eric Fisher
OT - Mitchell Schwartz
OT - Derwin Gray (#6-201/19 - PIT/PS)

Kept 3 tackles but Gray is on the PS in PIT. I kind of expected it because they like to take low-round lineman and develop them for a couple years, but they turn into studs quite often.

OG - Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
OG - Cole Madison (#4-122/18 - GB)
OG - Andrew Wylie (FA/18 - KC)
OG - Martinas Rankin (t-HOU/19)

Connor McGovern being moved from G to C by the Broncos threw a huge wrench in my position group here, but Wylie will likely see action and Madison is developing. I'd start McGovern at G on my team. Rankin is a shot in the dark I'm going to keep for now, but I'm not too concerned given my depth on the interior overall.

OC - Connor McGovern (#4-126/16 - DEN)
OC - Erik McCoy (#2-48/19 - NO)
OC - Austin Reiter (FA/18 - KC)
OC - Bradley Bozeman (#6-198/18 - BAL)

I took McCoy because I lacked confidence in Reiter long-term, but now I have 3 guys penciled in as starters to open the season at the position and Bozeman saw snaps last year in BAL. Either way, I have a ton of interior O-line depth and it made it hard to get rid of these guys, thus keeping 11 lineman, when 9 is usually my max.

DEFENSE (25)

DL - Harrison Phillips (#3-95/18 - BUF)
DL - Xavier Williams (FA/18 - KC)
DL - Carlos Watkins (#4-132/17 - HOU)
DL - Joey Ivie (FA/18 - KC)
DL - Zach Sieler (#7-219/18 - BAL PS)

I failed to address D-line in the draft and now I could pay for it. I don't have a single starter on my squad unless Phillips unseats Lotulelei in Buffalo. All my other guys sans Sieler should see significant snaps. Sieler was a surprise cut and stash on the PS by BAL for me after there were talks he could compete to start during the offseason. That moves leaves me gasping for straws on the front.

ER - Justin Houston (IND)
ER - Matt Judon (#4-129/16 - BAL)
ER - Alex Okafor (FA/19 - KC)
ER - Oshane Ximines (#3-92/19 - NYG)
ER - Tanoh Kpassagnon (#2-59/17 - KC)
ER - Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (#5-159/18 - LAR)

I'm fairly stacked at edge rusher with good veteran talent and good developmental talent behind them. Hopefully, it all works out but Ximines looked really good in the pre-season and so did Kpass. Since Houston was cut and not an expiring contract, I was able to keep him around and he'll start in Indy.

LB - Anthony Hitchens (FA/18 - KC)
LB - Reggie Ragland (t-BUF/17 - KC)
LB - Damien Wilson (FA/19 - KC)
LB - Cole Holcomb (#5-167/19 - WAS)
LB - Darron Lee (t-NYJ/19)

I had to cut Blair Brown after his domestic battery crap and the Jags cutting him, which leaves me with KC's trash and Holcomb. Holcomb looked really solid in pre-season and I think he steals a starting position sooner than later in WAS.

CB - Bashaud Breeland (FA/19 - KC)
CB - Kendall Fuller (t-WAS/18)
CB - Byron Murphy (#1-29/19 - ARZ)
CB - Holton Hill (#7-243/18 - MIN)
CB - Morris Claiborne (FA/19 - KC)

SF moving Moore to FS, his natural and college position, after an experimental year at CB changed the dynamic of my CB group but I did take Murphy in the 1st and he looks like he'll start by next year. Hill is on suspension to start the year but looked good in his opportunities last season. We know what the rest is. I hung onto Claiborne as depth.

DB - Jessie Bates (#2-52/18 - CIN)
DB - Tyrann Mathieu (FA/19 - KC)
DB - Tarvarius Moore (#3-86/18 - SF)
DB - Amani Hooker (#4-116/19 - TEN)

Bates is a stud and the Chiefs' addition of Mathieu helped. Moore moving to his natural FS spot and likely being the starter there gives me a deep group. Hooker looked like a baller in pre-season and Tennessee is gushing about him so far. Could go from crap at Safety to an absolute stud group in 2 years. Unlike with Houston, I let Berry walk. My spirit wasn't feeling him on this roster anymore.

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

K Harrison Butker (FA/17 - KC)
P Dustin Colquitt
LS James Winchester

No sense in messing with greatness.

I don't have too many notable cuts, but I'll list the ones that either made the Chiefs roster or I drafted and cut this year.

DB Jordan Lucas - I made the trade w/MIA but just not roo
LB Ben Niemann - I love him on special teams but I had to keep talent elsewhere
DB Dan Sorensen - My safeties look good so he wasn't a must keep
RB Darrell Williams - McCoy buried him further down the depth-chart and I already have 2 starters.
LB Blair Brown - Drafted him in the 5th two years ago but he got cut after a domestic battery charge. I also showed him the door no matter what the result.
CB Tremon Smith - Drafted him just like KC but he's very expendable in his current role, which I doubt lasts much longer in KC either
WR Stacy Coley - Drafted him in the 6th two years ago but he couldn't stick with the Jets after his short stint in Minnesota, so project over.
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Rain Man 11:31 PM 09-01-2019
Oh, I forgot to mention that I traded my 6th round pick next year for Darron Lee, and I too will take the Mark Fields trade since it was free for us.
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kccrow 09:30 PM 09-02-2019
Just wanted to put together how I'm doing so far in this thing... Sure, some recent things will have to shake out. As it stands, looks like I'm pulling about 3 starting caliber players per draft and 1-2 backup/role players. That's not too bad. I still think Madison ends up a starting OG in GB at some point (this is essentially his rookie year) and I have pretty high expectations for my top 5 draft picks in 2019, especially the top 4, after their showing in preseason this year and I believe all become starters by year 2 or 3.

Draft Results Tracker to Date

Spoiler!

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Rain Man 09:34 PM 09-04-2019
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Just wanted to put together how I'm doing so far in this thing... Sure, some recent things will have to shake out. As it stands, looks like I'm pulling about 3 starting caliber players per draft and 1-2 backup/role players. That's not too bad. I still think Madison ends up a starting OG in GB at some point (this is essentially his rookie year) and I have pretty high expectations for my top 5 draft picks in 2019, especially the top 4, after their showing in preseason this year and I believe all become starters by year 2 or 3.
You had me at Mahomes.


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kccrow 05:25 AM 09-07-2019
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
You had me at Mahomes.

:-)

Man, I was fully prepared to dump every draft resource that year to go up and get him if at all possible. Thankfully, the Chiefs did the smart thing and it allowed me to fill up my RB stable on top of it.
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