Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?
I can only speak for myself. I'm definitely concerned, and I won't be surprised to see an uptick in numbers soon. On the plus side, it was all outside, and I have a lot of trouble believing that brief exposure to someone outside is likely to be a common means of transfer.
I've said it before, but the main weapon I'd use against this thing if it were up to me is the outdoors. Every possible gathering of a large group of people should be outside if it's in any way possible IMO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?
Which is why the comsumer confidence arguement is retarded. Yeah..for a few weeks there would have been some apprehension but anyone that had been out in the real world lately if it's at a pool party at the Ozarks, riots on the streets or going to a liquor store the amount of fucks given is minimal. Personally our gym memberhaips are up over 30% between closing at the end of March and now. [Reply]
No matter where you come out on the protests, not only do they have the potential to provide an uptick directly but indirectly they dealt a mortal wound to the credibility of the processes and message local leaders had put in place causing more people to say fuck it for their own personal interests. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?
There was still concern.
Just because some thought that social injustice outweighs the virus danger, does not mean that everyone completely disregarded COVID.
Medical experts coming out and saying that was dangerous and irresponsible. The people protesting do not get a pass just because it was a noble cause. It was stupid (IMHO), and I agree with the point behind their protest. [Reply]
Cases: The 7-day avg & 3-day total has hit a new high. This is the 4th highest case total added to date. AZ has over 30,000 confirmed cases now.
Testing: PCR testing increased by about 3,000-ish tests from yesterday. (Good!)
Spread: Overall PCR positive percentage ticked up again to 7.9% (up from a 6.6% low, Bad!) and the average for this week moved down from 14% to 13% (still up from 12% last week).
Hospital Utilization: ICU beds usage is at 78%. Inpatient bed occupancy is at 84%. Hospitalizations for positive or suspected COVID-19 patients ticked up again by 1%. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
No matter where you come out on the protests, not only do they have the potential to provide an uptick directly but indirectly they dealt a mortal wound to the credibility of the processes and message local leaders had put in place causing more people to say **** it for their own personal interests.
I don't doubt the protests had SOME effect on Parsons lifting all restrictions come June 16. Seems pretty fast (but I don't know what the plan was before, so maybe it was always the plan) [Reply]
Originally Posted by sedated:
I don't doubt the protests had SOME effect on Parsons lifting all restrictions come June 16. Seems pretty fast (but I don't know what the plan was before, so maybe it was always the plan)
Even from a granular perspective, its much more difficult to take serious after hundreds of thousands gathered during a pandemic, some of the most at risk in particular. Granted things had been slipping prior to the protests but it broke the back of stay home, save lives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?
At least the people that looted downtown, set cars on fire and spray painted “fuck the law” on the building I work out of were considerate to enough to wear masks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?
Of course the concern was there. It's sucks that George Floyd was killed in a manner that was the spark which lit the final straw on the gasoline-doused camel's back. It sucks that it happened during the pandemic.
Now that we know the SARS 2 will be spreading that much more, it's more important than ever to start doing the best we can to mitigate the spread. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Which is why the comsumer confidence arguement is retarded. Yeah..for a few weeks there would have been some apprehension but anyone that had been out in the real world lately if it's at a pool party at the Ozarks, riots on the streets or going to a liquor store the amount of ****s given is minimal. Personally our gym memberhaips are up over 30% between closing at the end of March and now.
Some people acting in a certain way does not equal everyone sharing the same beliefs.
Some people don't give a shit, some people only go out when/where there are precautions taken, and some still avoid going out as much as possible.
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
No matter where you come out on the protests, not only do they have the potential to provide an uptick directly but indirectly they dealt a mortal wound to the credibility of the processes and message local leaders had put in place causing more people to say fuck it for their own personal interests.
I just went to the store for the first time in two weeks. This seems true. I'd say mask usage was in half from a few weeks ago. Down from say 60% to 25-30% I'd say.
This doesn't seem good. We ignored this once to our own detriment and it seems like we're willing to spin the wheel a second time. The Asian countries are still taking it very serious. I think they go too far, Tokyo was still deciding if it should go forward with opening gyms and other places last week and they have very little cases. It'd be nice to meet them in the middle though. [Reply]