Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by loochy:
I don't see how getting sick would convince a person that vaccines work or aren't dangerous.
depends on how sick you get
I had a buddy get sick who was totally dead set against the vax.
He ended up on oxygen and said he changed his mind and even if the vax just lessened his sickness, he would do it ,
because of how shitty it was to be in the hospital and have to be stuck to an oxygen tank after gettign out...
might be a case of the lesser of two evils in some peoples minds or which is the bigger risk -
vaccine side effects vs covid complications [Reply]
Omnicron outcompeting Delta in those with immunity by antibody evasion then running up against cellular immunity leading to a lesser disease is really best case scenario. [Reply]
All within the past week, I know two people who have passed from this and two more who probably aren't going to make it. All unvaxed. One is an early 20's obese girl. Two were in their 60's and one is about 50. It's hitting closer and closer to home. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan:
All within the past week, I know two people who have passed from this and two more who probably aren't going to make it. All unvaxed. One is an early 20's obese girl. Two were in their 60's and one is about 50. It's hitting closer and closer to home.
That sucks man. It’s rough. Good luck to you and yours. [Reply]
Just get the damned shots. It's insurance. It's doing your part for your community. There's no reason not to. This is ridiculous.
We live in a society. No man is an island and all of that. It's such a small thing to help keep people safe.
If you don't give a shit about your neighbors or the lady in front of you in the check-out line, then just consider it insurance for yourself. FREE insurance! [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
That sucks man. It’s rough. Good luck to you and yours.
Thank you. The young girl died last night.
Now my FIL tested positive yesterday. He's in his 60's, heart problems, obese and a whole litany of other health issues. He wouldn't get vaccinated because he was scared of it based on shit he'd read online. My wife is very upset and scared. I did talk him into getting the monoclonal antibody treatment last night. He's sicker today and blames the infusion. It's certainly possible that it made him feel worse short term. It's also likely he was going to get sicker because he has fucking COVID. But he blames the infusion I recommended.
I worry that if something happens to him the family will think it's because of the treatment I suggested that "made him worse". We're scheduled to leave for The Bahamas Monday but my wife now has reservations about going and leaving her dad behind. Life's just so complicated right now. Well, at least for the lucky ones it is. [Reply]
Just found out a few days ago that my youngest son, his wife and 4 kids all have the rona. He and the kids are all recovering and doing fine, his wife is having a rough time. She's the only one vaccinated and got sick first. Take it for what its worth, but the more info that comes out about the shot, the happier I am I didn't get it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FlaChief58:
Just found out a few days ago that my youngest son, his wife and 4 kids all have the rona. He and the kids are all recovering and doing fine, his wife is having a rough time. She's the only one vaccinated and got sick first. Take it for what its worth, but the more info that comes out about the shot, the happier I am I didn't get it.
If you just read this thread, dozens of posters have lost loved ones to covid. No one has lost a loved one to the vaccine.
You have to look really hard for information to back your opinion about risk/reward of the vaccine, and ignore the giant mountain of evidence to the contrary. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
If you just read this thread, dozens of posters have lost loved ones to covid. No one has lost a loved one to the vaccine.
You have to look really hard for information to back your opinion about risk/reward of the vaccine, and ignore the giant mountain of evidence to the contrary.
It's easy when you just choose to disregard anything that doesn't support your position.
Look, I have a person in my network who ended up hospitalized for Myocarditis (from the vaccine). I'm not disputing that side effects can't happen.
But I've had far more people in my network (10 off the top of my head) who have been hospitalized or died from COVID. Two who still can not work (after getting COVID at the beginning of the year) and are relying on the goodwill of GoFundMe's to not lose their homes. The president of my town's city council died of COVID after a council meeting. In my hometown, my childhood best friend lost his uncle - a business owner in the town (my childhood friend blames China for developing the virus as a "bioweapon" and is convinced the vaccine is a "bioweapon" along with the virus itself via the spike protein). My aunt lost her significant other to COVID (she still blames the mask for giving him the infection).
But, if you choose to surround yourself to vaccine horror stories from Candace Owens (who herself is vaccinated) and those in her network, then yeah, it's easy to come to the conclusion that the vaccine is the problem. I respected Trump a lot for going on her show and taking a stand for one of his admin's greatest achievements developing the vaccine yesterday. [Reply]
Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan:
Thank you. The young girl died last night.
Now my FIL tested positive yesterday. He's in his 60's, heart problems, obese and a whole litany of other health issues. He wouldn't get vaccinated because he was scared of it based on shit he'd read online. My wife is very upset and scared. I did talk him into getting the monoclonal antibody treatment last night. He's sicker today and blames the infusion. It's certainly possible that it made him feel worse short term. It's also likely he was going to get sicker because he has ****ing COVID. But he blames the infusion I recommended.
I worry that if something happens to him the family will think it's because of the treatment I suggested that "made him worse". We're scheduled to leave for The Bahamas Monday but my wife now has reservations about going and leaving her dad behind. Life's just so complicated right now. Well, at least for the lucky ones it is.
Damn. That sucks. Hopefully he kicks it. Keeping your fam in out thoughts [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
If you just read this thread, dozens of posters have lost loved ones to covid. No one has lost a loved one to the vaccine.
You have to look really hard for information to back your opinion about risk/reward of the vaccine, and ignore the giant mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I recently lost a cousin who was vaxed and a different cousin lost her unvaxed husband to covid. He had stage 4 bone cancer and his bones started breaking on their own. She had no underlying conditions other than being a little overweight.
The risk/reward info is out there if you choose to look for it. I have and have made my choice. Right or wrong, I'm doing what I feel is in my best interest [Reply]
There's a ton of misinformation out there put out by people who make money off of clicks or selling supplements, etc. Are you sure you're qualified to tell the difference? Have you looked into the backgrounds of every source you find? [Reply]