Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
no idea if true in Italy but it’s defintely not true in the USA. There are multiple young people and older with no pre-existing conditions dying from coronavirus. See the post about Dr. Fauci on the podcast. They go from presenting with flu symptoms at the ER, to dead in 48 hours.
I read the transcript from that podcast and it doesn't mention that happening to young people. Not you say it couldn't, but he makes no mention of that.
Yes there are young people dying from this disease, but all of the statistics show that the older population is most as risk. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
same one you have been making the whole thread. More people die of cancer, in car accidents etc. such is life. Right?
No, not at all, actually. He made a very valid point on something we were discussing in relation to the Dr. Fauci podcast from earlier. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I truly believe that. I remember reading a couple of weeks ago a doctor in Italy said that the majority of people who died in Italy were probably going to die in the next couple of months anyway from something and this jut happened to be it.
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
same one you have been making the whole thread. More people die of cancer, in car accidents etc. such is life. Right?
Not even close, bro. Would you like to go back and read what I said? I said why does one person die of something and someone else lives through the same thing? It's a constant among things that kill us. Why did cancer kill this person and not that? Why did that person respond to treatment but not this person?
I think in the cases that are outside of the standard, elderly, high risk scenarios we will eventually identify something that made people otherwise low-risk vulnerable to this disease. I've seen speculation on blood type and things of that nature. Then again it could just come down to we just don't know. Our bodies are the same but very different at the same time. If we were all the same no one would be allergic to anything or we would all be allergic to the same things, right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I read the transcript from that podcast and it doesn't mention that happening to young people. Not you say it couldn't, but he makes no mention of that.
Yes there are young people dying from this disease, but all of the statistics show that the older population is most as risk.
I know your stressing out. But, there is a lot we don’t know yet. Fear of the unknown is a real thing.
Just focus on the truth. You have very very minuscule chance of getting this and then being more than standard flu like symptoms as a worse case. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Hold on just a sec. First off, anything is possible. Secondly the call of 1,000 deaths in a day was supposed to happen over 4 - 5 days ago. There is something to be said that it took longer to get there than what people were saying.
Yes, the next 14 are going to be not fun. But I think we need to focus across the entire country and not let NY be the indicator of what is or will be for everyone else.
Agree 100% with you, but if you remember - after looking at the newest trends (which were lower than Ringleaders original numbers) I stated that we were trending towards 800 deaths by Tuesday and 1000 deaths by April 4th.
You then asked, when are we going to take into account the measures we put in place and that those numbers didn’t include those and that 1k deaths wouldn’t happen since Italy wasn’t even there yet (the US just hit over 500 deaths for the very first time on saturday)
All I’m saying is you tend to down play the situation ... yes NY and NJ are the hotspot today... but you know what’s next... Michigan, Louisiana and Indiana.
It’s starts slow but the rest of the country will feel this in the next two weeks - at lower numbers but same % of per capita...
I don’t want to come across as attacking you. I want to make that clear. I think you have a positive level headed attitude, especially the last week or so. But it’s looking grim based on the math.
I really hope I’m wrong / but thankfully everyone in the country is finally realizing that this situation is effed up and we need to take it seriously... 4 weeks ago people were making fun of this and calling it an overreaction... I’m glad that’s died down. [Reply]
