Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
If we want to understand how powerful an opponent SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is, let’s take a look what has been required to stop it in China. The Chinese government has essentially used a social nuclear weapon in its efforts. Let’s talk about this, to understand what US is facing. 1/
— Nicholas A. Christakis (@NAChristakis) March 9, 2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
The video states that it deactivates other Coronaviruses, but has not been tested against Covid-19. Sounds like bullshit to me.
There is a lot of information out there that states that in China the best results for treatment have come from high dose vitamin C drips. If I felt like I was getting something I think I would get one immediately along with a hyperbaric IV ozone therapy 10 pass. Don't expect to hear about any of this from our trusted friends at the CDC, FDA or WHO. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SuperBowl4:
My dad swore by this stuff. Lived to 89. COLLOIDAL SILVER
I figured that's what he was pushing. I have also heard a lot of people who swear by it. I personally have not used it so I can't give an opinion one way or another. Don't expect anything positive on this BB about anything that isn't being pushed by BIG PHARM/CDC,WHO and the FDA. They will label you the anti-christ. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
There is a lot of information out there that states that in China the best results for treatment have come from high dose vitamin C drips. If I felt like I was getting something I think I would get one immediately along with a hyperbaric IV ozone therapy 10 pass. Don't expect to hear about any of this from our trusted friends at the CDC, FDA or WHO.
I would love for you to link that data
There is no current evidence that vitamin C prevents or treats viral illnesses. They are doing some studies but there is no data yet to suggest it works.
There is one meta-analyses I saw that showed around an 8 percent reduction in ventilator time with Vitamin C therapy for patients ventilated for more than 24 hours.
The most recent large meta analysis of vitamin C on ICU patients showed no reduction in ICU stays or on mortality of ICU patients.
What this has to do with the colloidal silver claim, I'm not sure. Sounds like quackery though. Do you think the sellers would be willing to go to Wuhan armed with a bottle? [Reply]
I don't like it when someone turns up positive for the virus and the report is that it's no big deal in that area because that person had traveled and came back with it. But then they won't say where or how they traveled. That's messed up. I need to know so I can avoid crossing their path. People need the facts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Once again the video was not even clear what the product was. There are many products and things you can do to build up your immunity system. I don't bother posting about the best products or procedures on this BB. Everyone wants to be in a tizzy fit here. I went to the gym all weekend. My son went to Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai and my wife works at the airport. My sister flew in from Australia. To say I have zero concern about this is an understatement. I would be flying now except my sister is here for the next 2 weeks.
Once again if he claimed the unknown product was a cure for Corona please post it or quit claiming that he said that.
I didn't say he came right out and said that did I? Once again if you can't see what he's doing then I don't know what to tell you. It's obvious they're strongly implying it's a prevention/cure for the CV.
"We haven't tested it on this strain yet but it's stopped the other strains of CV"
Seriously? You don't get that? [Reply]
Originally Posted by srvy: More antibiotics to kill whatever virus caused pneumonia and this nasty tasting green cough meds that knocked lights out and an albuterol inhaler. Today is the first day I feel like I should be back to work. So yeah there is a lot of shit out there.
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I would love for you to link that data
There is no current evidence that vitamin C prevents or treats viral illnesses. They are doing some studies but there is no data yet to suggest it works.
There is one meta-analyses I saw that showed around an 8 percent reduction in ventilator time with Vitamin C therapy for patients ventilated for more than 24 hours.
The most recent large meta analysis of vitamin C on ICU patients showed no reduction in ICU stays or on mortality of ICU patients.
What this has to do with the colloidal silver claim, I'm not sure. Sounds like quackery though. Do you think the sellers would be willing to go to Wuhan armed with a bottle?
LOL, I don't know. I know I am not worried about it at all.
I hate going back and looking for stuff. It usually disappears. I will try and find something though.
Originally Posted by stumppy:
I didn't say he came right out and said that did I? Once again if you can't see what he's doing then I don't know what to tell you. It's obvious they're strongly implying it's a prevention/cure for the CV.
"We haven't tested it on this strain yet but it's stopped the other strains of CV"
Seriously? You don't get that?
It would help if he had proof of the first claim for sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I would love for you to link that data
There is no current evidence that vitamin C prevents or treats viral illnesses. They are doing some studies but there is no data yet to suggest it works.
There is one meta-analyses I saw that showed around an 8 percent reduction in ventilator time with Vitamin C therapy for patients ventilated for more than 24 hours.
The most recent large meta analysis of vitamin C on ICU patients showed no reduction in ICU stays or on mortality of ICU patients.
What this has to do with the colloidal silver claim, I'm not sure. Sounds like quackery though. Do you think the sellers would be willing to go to Wuhan armed with a bottle?
I know what he's referencing, but can't find a link at the moment. There were a couple NCBI studies showing IV VitC procedures being effective for recovering chemo patients. But the studies were questionable due to testing procedures and later discovered that the chemo procedure caused depleted levels of VitC to begin with. It focused on chemo patients, but has now been used by the quackery alt med crowd as a new cure-all. Same goes for the colloidal silver claims, except there's actually some potential danger there with no proven benefits... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
I know what he's referencing, but can't find a link at the moment. There were a couple NCBI studies showing IV VitC procedures being effective for recovering chemo patients. But the studies were questionable due to testing procedures and later discovered that the chemo procedure caused depleted levels of VitC to begin with. It focused on chemo patients, but has now been used by the quackery alt med crowd as a new cure-all. Same goes for the colloidal silver claims, except there's actually some potential danger there with no proven benefits...
The self-proclaimed Mr. Big Pharm football BB scientist has arrived.You all should be good to go now.
The one thing that is for sure is if the vitamin C drips are working that information will be suppressed in the United States. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
LOL, I don't know. I know I am not worried about it at all.
I hate going back and looking for stuff. It usually disappears. I will try and find something though.
First link doesn't work. Second link is from http://orthomolecular.org. An alternative medicine site. Every "Study" they offer links to their own site. The author/editor is a guy named Andrew Saul who goes by “The Megavitamin Man.”