Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.
Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.
If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.
There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.
1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well
2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.
3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.
Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea. [Reply]
Comparing Jones to Houston is stupid for the simple fact if you compare post season productivity it's not even close. The Houston deal wasn't even a bad one til he had his leg snapped in half, people forget how good that 2015 became.
The only reason you trade Jones is if you can't make the math work. A defensive front of Clark, Nnadi, Jones and perhaps you get a talented defensive end at the end of round 1 you have a defense that's just as good as the 49ers and we're not even mentioning that you have the best offense in the league, with the best QB in the league and a hall of fame coach. [Reply]
I'm personally obsessed with surrounding Mahomes with weapons EARLY in his career and watching that core wreck the league but that's just me. That 2000-2010 Colts squad had HOFers in QB (Manning), RB (James), WRs (Harrison, possibly Wayne) a great TE (Clark) and one of the best centers of his era (Saturday). I was at the no punt game front and center that offense was fricken unreal.
Trade Jones for a 1st and a 2nd who knows maybe we draft Mahomes' Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne in Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III and his Edgerrin James in Swift, Dobbins, Taylor.
Jones of course may very well go on to have a HOF career and the draft picks we got for him may very well be busts. Just my opinion but you pair first round skill players with Mahomes they're not gonna be busts. James, Harrison, Wayne, Clark all first round picks for Manning.
Do you want to diversify your risk or does Veach think Jones is an all pro caliber player for the next 5-6 years? Time will tell. Good situation to be in. [Reply]
You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.
It's a tough decision. On one hand the guy is a great player and you don't want to lose someone like him. You also would like to reward players who were drafted by the Chiefs and earned their big contract.
On the other hand Chiefs better do their homework because some guys lose their fire after they get paid. How competitive is Chris Jones? Plus, Chiefs have to make sure they create a good dline not a dline w Chris Jones, Frank Clark and a bunch of bums. Chiefs dline has good depth they need to keep it that way.
Originally Posted by BossChief:
You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.
The guy is a unicorn.
That's the ideal situation for sure. I want him to stay and hopefully he does if all the numbers work out okay for both sides.
Chris Jones should be one of the center pieces of this team going forward. Chiefs just have to make sure he is the ultracompetitive type and that he won't take it easy after he gets paid. Whatever he gets it is going to be a lot. so better make sure he is worth it. Only so much money to go around. [Reply]
I kinda wish they would just get a deal done with Patrick right away and maybe he will get a Chief friendly contract that would show how serious he is about winning championships and therefor lead by example and the rest of the players take a discount because they will be on Mahomes team.
Who the fuck would be stupid to go else where when Patrick Mahomes II gives his team the best chance to win multiple Super Bowls? [Reply]
Not only does Patrick Mahomes II give his team best chance to win Super Bowls but he demoralizes the defensive players against him. So going else where would be dumb for Chris Jones or any FA not to want to come to Kansas City on the cheap because even if your NFC and you will lose in the Super Bowl against Kansas City Chiefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
He's 30 now; obviously past his prime. We need to get rid of him before he needs a new contract and tanks afterwards.
For that matter Tyreek just got paid; shouldn't we be worried that he'll mail in the rest of his contract?
And Pat Mahomes . . . well obviously according to the likes of Wallsucker, we should trade him before we have to sign him to a big contract, because he'll suck afterwards. Plus, he's 25 now, and obviously athletically he can only go down from here.
OK, Megatard, it appears literacy is among your many weak mental aspects.
You see, Megadouche, the Berry and Houston deals are not irrelevant. They are a perfect, shining example of why you dont dump a ton of money on one guy. Those who dont know history, are dooned to repeat it. The Chiefs have been burned twice, and I find it extremely hilarious you say Berry was irrelevant, because were the Chiefs not still eating dead money, we arent in as piss poor a position to retain our players that we are now.
While yes, Megazord, you could cherry pick the guys who got stupid money and produced decent results on one hand, (assuming you can count, thats a big ****in leap of faith but hey..) there are far more instances of complacency and injury on these huge deals than homeruns. Dwayne Bowe wants to know if you need anything from Sonic, btw.
As I said before, Megaturd, Patrick Mahomes, the best player on the God damn planet, is the ONLY guy worthy of any contract number. The guy has the ability to affect the outcome of any given game by himself, and more importantly, is irreplaceable. Even he knows that in order to build the team, he probably has to take less than hes really worth.
Your ridiculous little comment about trade Kelce hes 30, doesnt hold water. Kelce isn't looking to be the leagues top paid receiver.
Hill, big swing and a miss there too. Everyone with a functioning braincell knows Hills deal has been structured so that we do not get burned, due to his off field soap opera that was taking place.
In the end, Megatranny, if Jones is more interested in breaking the bank than winning super bowls, he needs to do that elsewhere and we utilize the picks and cash to deepen the roster with talent across the board.
The ship kind sailed when no deal was done with Jones, and we gave Frank Clark his money. To your point, Clark did produce. But only after a period where CP got up in arms about how much he sucked. Getting a Lombardi softens the blow of his deal, so even if he flames out going forward due to injuries or what have you, people will still reflect on that one good postseason run that helped us win a title and say it was worth every penny.
They are probably right, but it still doesnt change the fact that his deal affects the Jones deal, and affects the overall team.
Hopefully Megadork, that clarifies some things for you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ForeverIowan:
Mack pulled two firsts and a third. Jones is a helluva player but there's no chance he pulls that compensation.
How the Bears GM still has a job is beyond me. Raiders bent them over with that trade.
A 1st + 2nd would be a no brainer. Jones is a great player, but not so great that he can make up for a talent vacuum in several other spot at his expense (financially).
2 x 1's + 2 x 2's also helps you set up for 2 years from now talent and cap wise. [Reply]
