Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.
Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.
If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.
There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.
1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well
2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.
3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.
Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
What? He is worth Mack money and is better than Mack. We just won't be able to pay him what he wants.
Mack pulled two firsts and a third. Jones is a helluva player but there's no chance he pulls that compensation.
How the Bears GM still has a job is beyond me. Raiders bent them over with that trade. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
People on here go way overboard with hateful words. Die of aids and kill yourself should banable offenses. Mods should punish. I got suspened for less.
Not everybody can be the highest paid at their position. Hill, Clark, and Mathieu account for $56.5 million of next years cap. If you give Mahomes his extension, we're in the low to mid 90's. How competent do you want the remaining 48 players? IMO... Trade Jones and use the draft picks to add talent on rookie contracts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefaholic:
Not everybody can be the highest paid at their position. Hill, Clark, and Mathieu account for $56.5 million of next years cap. If you give Mahomes his extension, we're in the low to mid 90's. How competent do you want the remaining 48 players? IMO... Trade Jones and use the draft picks to add talent on rookie contracts.
Exactly. We can't give him what he wants and field another SB team in the next few years, it's that simple. Get some high picks is the best we can do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by e3263518:
So calling another forum member in a completely unprovoked manner "a stupid mother****er" and "kill yourself" is cool? Some of you here sure do have some strange logic. There was nothing cool or funny about what he wrote. And he doesn't have testicles big enough to say shit like that to me in person because he would not like the outcome.
Wanna tussle buddy? Tell me a time and place and ill be there ready for the dick sucking. [Reply]
Originally Posted by e3263518:
So calling another forum member in a completely unprovoked manner "a stupid motherfucker" and "kill yourself" is cool? Some of you here sure do have some strange logic. There was nothing cool or funny about what he wrote. And he doesn't have testicles big enough to say shit like that to me in person because he would not like the outcome.
I would say that to you in person because I could kick your ass!!!!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.
Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.
If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.
There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.
1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well
2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.
3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.
Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
Originally Posted by e3263518:
CJ is not worth Khalil Mack money. In fact, he should not make more than Tyreek. 18 million is the ceiling for him. Do a 5 year deal with $50 million guaranteed. If CJ objects, trade his ass.
You're retarded. 5/50 million would be an insult.
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
We've had a run on DL they haven't all panned out like we expected them too so just for that Chis Jones is worth keeping however Veach can make it work. I hope we can get a deal done and I wouldn't want play against him if we let him walk no way.
Sign him and possibly restructure his deal later if we have too but he needs remain a Chief.
^^^
This.
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin:
I've come to the conclusion he's replaceable. Veach has shown he can identify talent in the draft. Pennel made more of a difference than Jones last year. If we can trade him for a 2nd and third or a 2nd in both 2020 and 21 to a team drafting top 10 I say do it.
How about detroit. Patricia would love having Jones.
I hope we keep Jones, and I know we'd have to pay him north of 18 million/year to have a chance at it, but he's worth it. Just look at how many teams over the last ten years gave away their pass-rushing DT thinking "we'll just replace his production through the draft," and see how that turned out for them. One of the more recent examples I can think of is ARI trading Calais Campbell four years ago. They still haven't replaced him. And the league is literally littered with teams that had the same idea of replacing their goo-to-great pass-rushing DT through the draft, and it's almost never worked out.
And people always seem to forget that part of the equation is recognition. The entire league knows who Chris Jones is. And every OC is scared of him. They design their game plans around him. None of the other DTs we have are remotely as effective when it comes to altering opposing offensive plans. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Chris Jones single-handedly is the most dangerous defender on the team in the minds of all of our opponents' OCs.
That right there makes him worth his weight in gold. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I think you need to check your comprehension. That was just the years and guaranteed. Not the total $$$ of the contract.
Ah, so it seems. What was the total then? I can't seem to find it.