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Nzoner's Game Room>Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2
HonestChieffan 11:58 AM 01-23-2011
Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?
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Frazod 01:13 PM 04-04-2020
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Yeah, I am not sure where he is coming from there. Springfield is a very reputable gun maker.
I actually did have one issue with it when I first purchased it; the factory sights were off and non-adjustable. Replaced them with Trijicons and after that everything was fine. It was very accurate, reliable and fun to shoot.
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Bowser 01:17 PM 04-04-2020
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/bere...storm-magazine
Success! Thank you....
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Bowser 01:18 PM 04-04-2020
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Yes sorry, I just looked it up, and it appears Beretta has discontinued the 17 round magazine. But the 15 round magazines will fit your firearm.
No problem! Noted the 15 round works as well for future refence. Explains why they were so hard to find.
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Perineum Ripper 01:21 PM 04-04-2020
I never had a problem with Springfield, but I will never buy another fucking thing from them. After their gun control bullshit and continuing payments to gun control legislators
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bigjosh 02:12 PM 04-04-2020
Originally Posted by mac459:
I never had a problem with Springfield, but I will never buy another fucking thing from them. After their gun control bullshit and continuing payments to gun control legislators

This is part of my issue with them.

I was speaking solely about the xd series pistol. They are highly suspect quality wise. I wont get into it too much, but if you speak to any real instructor they will probably tell you that the pistols they see with the most catastrophic failures and the highest stoppage rates are xd series pistols.

Springfeild 1911s are great, but like mac said, fuck them and their politics.
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Frazod 02:36 PM 04-04-2020
Originally Posted by bigjosh:
This is part of my issue with them.

I was speaking solely about the xd series pistol. They are highly suspect quality wise. I wont get into it too much, but if you speak to any real instructor they will probably tell you that the pistols they see with the most catastrophic failures and the highest stoppage rates are xd series pistols.

Springfeild 1911s are great, but like mac said, fuck them and their politics.
Hmm, I never heard anything negative about XDs before. My gunsmith actually uses one in competition. Of course, he's certainly tinkered with his to the point that it's far beyond one straight out of the box.

I had forgotten about Springfield's political gaffe. They backtracked from it quickly, but the damage was done. The only Springfield product I currently own is an M1A.
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GloryDayz 02:07 PM 04-12-2020
For you 80% enthusiasts, this looks fun...


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Chief Roundup 03:06 PM 04-12-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
You need a permit to own a suppressor?

In Kansas we just need the federal tax stamp. $200 and a 6-9 month wait, which is complete bullshit.

Yes, get as many suppressors as you can. They are awesome. If you shoot prone get the best one regardless of weight, if you are free shooting get a lightweight one.
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
He probably meant the tax stamp. My brother applied for his a couple years ago and it took 5 months. I'm must guessing, but right now it probably would take a year or more.
No I have talked to several places about getting suppressor. You have to get a permit for each and everyone and each one has to be registered.
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Perineum Ripper 03:30 PM 04-12-2020
So I went through my shed, needed cleaned and organized, after a couple years of not doing it. Got ammo all sorted, boxed, all mags loaded up, and stashed. After going through all my spare parts I had laying around, I was able to build 3 more rifles. So I now need to order more parts.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 05:34 PM 04-12-2020
Thinking about getting one of these:



Or this:


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notorious 06:43 PM 04-12-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
No I have talked to several places about getting suppressor. You have to get a permit for each and everyone and each one has to be registered.
Good lord. I figured Arkansas would be a little better than that.

Set up a Trust and buy the suppressors through the trust so they can be possessed by multiple people, and if you die they won't be seized by ATF. The people listed on the trust will legally acquire the gear.

https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/pr...IaAhpWEALw_wcB
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Buehler445 07:10 PM 04-12-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
Good lord. I figured Arkansas would be a little better than that.

Set up a Trust and buy the suppressors through the trust so they can be possessed by multiple people, and if you die they won't be seized by ATF. The people listed on the trust will legally acquire the gear.

https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/pr...IaAhpWEALw_wcB
Oh wow. That’s good info.
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banyon 07:17 PM 04-12-2020
Everyone always thinks of me as some kind of big time lefty in DC, but here is my setup:
(1st weapon in nightstand next to bed)
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Hog's Gone Fishin 07:18 PM 04-12-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
Good lord. I figured Arkansas would be a little better than that.

Set up a Trust and buy the suppressors through the trust so they can be possessed by multiple people, and if you die they won't be seized by ATF. The people listed on the trust will legally acquire the gear.

https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/pr...IaAhpWEALw_wcB
Thanks for the link, this is something I've been needing to get done for years and especially now.
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notorious 07:25 PM 04-12-2020
Why should you use an NFA Gun Trust?

December 30, 2015

NFA

When most people hear about NFA Gun Trusts, the concept can be a little difficult to grasp. Now that 41F has passed, there is a lot of outdated information still floating around the interwebs. We'd like to point out that there are still many advantages to registering your silencer through a trust and here is a brief overview of a few of them.

Multiple People Can Share Possession

Most people have family members or friends who may need access to their NFA items from time to time. NFA Gun TrustFor example, imagine you're not home and your spouse ends up using the suppressor on a home defense gun. (Yes, you should definitely use a suppressor in that situation.) If you registered using a trust, and added your spouse as a trustee, you're good to go - but, if you registered as an individual, your spouse will have committed a felony. As a second example, imagine going hunting with your son. If you head to one blind and he goes to another - he's committing a felony if he takes the suppressor and you registered it as an individual. There are countless examples like these - where registering using a trust simply makes more sense.

It's a More Flexible Option

We often talk to young people who think the previous reason doesn't apply to them because they're single. It turns out that using a trust is also more flexible than registering as an individual because trustees can be added or removed at any time. For you young/single people out there, if you're ever going to get married or have kids you'll definitely want to register using a trust now. Moving a suppressor from an individual registration to a trust or corporation requires an additional $200 tax stamp. Keep in mind that it's your responsibility to ensure the trustees can legally posses a suppressor (i.e. they're at least 18 years old and that they haven't committed a felony). Because of this, most people limit the trustees to either family or close friends.

Registering Using a Trust is Faster

At Silencer Shop, we submit 10's of thousands of NFA applications every year - and we consistently see that trust registrations get approved roughly 4 weeks faster. Of course, this does vary; but, the ATF process is long enough already without adding any additional time.

Traditional vs. "Single Shot" Trusts

The post 41F silencer market has changed a bit. It's not any more difficult - as some would lead you to believe - but it is different. The gap between trust and individual filing has shrunk significantly and having a trust with a long list of trustees can sometimes be difficult to manage if you have responsible parties listed on your trust, who aren't in the mood to go get their fingerprints done. Silencer Shop acknowledges this and has a solution for you! Our Single Shot Trust is designed to be a single trust for a single silencer (or other NFA item). No notary, no scanning documents, no keeping track of items held within. The trust is named after the serial number of the item you are registering and you can add trustees through a simple amendment form after you receive approval! It isn't a replacement for the tried-and-true traditional trust, but it is the right solution for some. Click here to learn more about the Single Shot Trust and see if it is the right solution for your needs.

Conclusion

We hope it's clear why using a trust is a great way to register any NFA item - such as suppressors or short barrel rifles. Fortunately, setting up a trust only takes a few minutes - and only has to be done once. If you're looking into buying an NFA item of any kind, from anybody, we highly recommend you start out the process by using a gun trust.
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