I think he was definitely overselling the whole "I'm weak and feeble please save me Ani" bit at the end, but Mace definitely dueled his ass into submission.
I'm counting that as a legitimate W for Windu although Palps won in the long run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by notorious:
What does George Lucas know about Star Wars?
For real. He had no idea how to film that scene. It changed several times through scriptwriting (which, makes sense), and then he opted to alter it again THE DAY OF THE SHOOT.
Originally in the shoot, I've read that Anakin's motivation was going to be as much political (aka the Jedi's are becoming tyrants) as emotional (MUH PADMES)
I'd have preferred this, I think. It would have been great to see Vader make decisions for Vader, not only for his onetwuwuv. [Reply]
The scene wasn't horrible, but it was just terribly hamfisted.
I didn't really buy it. And the direction for McDiarmid was horrible, because it was honestly the worst acting I've seen out of him. He needed to dial it down about two notches. He was a cartoon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ASS11:
The scene wasn't horrible, but it was just terribly hamfisted.
I didn't really buy it. And the direction for McDiarmid was horrible, because it was honestly the worst acting I've seen out of him. He needed to dial it down about two notches. He was a cartoon.
That's the problem in a nutshell for me.
The scene felt like it skipped an hour of scenes establishing Anakin's arc toward the dark side. He goes from buddy copping it with Obi-Wan to murdering children in what, 25 minutes?
ROTS is definitely the best of the trilogy - but I think it was severely limited by its predecessors. Lucas felt a legitimate pressure to show maturity in Anakin and establish a comraderie with Obi-Wan (making his transition to Vader harder to swallow).
If Anakin hadn't acted like a whiny little toddler who was mad at his daddy in AOTC and instead shown any of that leadership, depth and humanity he flashed for 30 minutes in ROTS (as he did in say, Clone Wars), his transition to genocidal child murderer wouldn't have felt so rushed. Lucas completely missed the mark on that - Anakin could have been together, confident, and a real understudy to Obi-Wan with hints of discontent at the controlling bureaucracies around him in AOTC. Instead, you have him literally go on a killing spree of a humanoid race and have him confess the thing to an (understanding? enabling? out of her mind?) girlfriend. Lucas just had no idea how to add any nuance to his writing, and it's what something with the intended political intrigue of the prequels so badly needed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
That's the problem in a nutshell for me.
The scene felt like it skipped an hour of scenes establishing Anakin's arc toward the dark side. He goes from buddy copping it with Obi-Wan to murdering children in what, 25 minutes?
ROTS is definitely the best of the trilogy - but I think it was severely limited by its predecessors. Lucas felt a legitimate pressure to show maturity in Anakin and establish a comraderie with Obi-Wan (making his transition to Vader harder to swallow).
If Anakin hadn't acted like a whiny little toddler who was mad at his daddy in AOTC and instead shown any of that leadership, depth and humanity he flashed for 30 minutes in ROTS (as he did in say, Clone Wars), his transition to genocidal child murderer wouldn't have felt so rushed. Lucas completely missed the mark on that - Anakin could have been together, confident, and a real understudy to Obi-Wan with hints of discontent at the controlling bureaucracies around him in AOTC. Instead, you have him literally go on a killing spree of humanoid race and have him confess the thing to an (understanding? enabling? out of her mind?) girlfriend. Lucas just had no idea how to add any nuance to his writing, and it's what something with the intended political intrigue of the prequels so badly needed.
That's why the Clone Wars is so good. Even a cartoon surpasses Lucas's shitty writing.
The Anakin-Obi-Wan dynamic is very well done, and there are little breadcrumbs dropped of Anakin's coming turn all along the way.
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
That's the problem in a nutshell for me.
The scene felt like it skipped an hour of scenes establishing Anakin's arc toward the dark side. He goes from buddy copping it with Obi-Wan to murdering children in what, 25 minutes?
ROTS is definitely the best of the trilogy - but I think it was severely limited by its predecessors. Lucas felt a legitimate pressure to show maturity in Anakin and establish a comraderie with Obi-Wan (making his transition to Vader harder to swallow).
If Anakin hadn't acted like a whiny little toddler who was mad at his daddy in AOTC and instead shown any of that leadership, depth and humanity he flashed for 30 minutes in ROTS (as he did in say, Clone Wars), his transition to genocidal child murderer wouldn't have felt so rushed. Lucas completely missed the mark on that - Anakin could have been together, confident, and a real understudy to Obi-Wan with hints of discontent at the controlling bureaucracies around him in AOTC. Instead, you have him literally go on a killing spree of a humanoid race and have him confess the thing to an (understanding? enabling? out of her mind?) girlfriend. Lucas just had no idea how to add any nuance to his writing, and it's what something with the intended political intrigue of the prequels so badly needed.
Anakin should have been a teenager in Phantom Menace instead of a precocious 9 year old. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ASS11:
The scene wasn't horrible, but it was just terribly hamfisted.
I didn't really buy it. And the direction for McDiarmid was horrible, because it was honestly the worst acting I've seen out of him. He needed to dial it down about two notches. He was a cartoon.
