Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Yeah Pete is pretty predictable. When I see a certain group of folks on Facebook share memes he usually comes to this thread and echos the post in some fashion. This past weekend I started seeing "Covid has only killed .05 people in Kansas or something stupid like that.
So I looked up the stats if COVID kills as many as it has the past 6 weeks in Kansas it would end up being the 3rd largest killer in the state behind jesrt disease and cancer. Just slightly ahead of accidents and that's in KS a state not hit nearly as hard as others by COVID.
These people have been proven wrong at every turn and try new ways to downplay the virus instead of just admitting the obvious: they are wrong. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yeah Pete is pretty predictable. When I see a certain group of folks on Facebook share memes he usually comes to this thread and echos the post in some fashion. This past weekend I started seeing "Covid has only killed .05 people in Kansas or something stupid like that.
So I looked up the stats if COVID kills as many as it has the past 6 weeks in Kansas it would end up being the 3rd largest killer in the state behind jesrt disease and cancer. Just slightly ahead of accidents and that's in KS a state not hit nearly as hard as others by COVID.
These people have been proven wrong at every turn and try new ways to downplay the virus instead of just admitting the obvious: they are wrong.
Yeah we know, you've been saying how Mo is a hot spot despite the numbers proving you wrong. But you know, keep telling everyone else how you are right. Your days of getting paid to play x-box are just about over. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Truth be told we aren't forecasting a significant rise in hospitalizations. That doesn't mean a rise in cases won't happen but one is doesn't necessarily mean the other. And yes, there are people who are scared. Some for good reason. if you are a high risk individual you should be scared. But the virus is not a death sentence for 99% of the people who get it and we have to keep that in perspective.
People say I downplay it because I don't have a doom and gloom view of it or otherwise don't share their particular view.
Your right in regards to most people who get it will get over it ok. I worry about the supposed "mild" cases like OTWP had where he couldn't breathe for like a month. If that was me I would probably drop dead from an anxiety attack first. :-)
I talked to my daughter tonight and she wanted me to pass this message on to all of you that want to go back out to work and not wear masks and such.
Please make sure you have an updated DNR. They had a man code the other night and did 3-4 rounds of chest compressions because he didn't have a DNR and the family didn't want him to die. Not real good on the human body if you know what I mean.
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Your right in regards to most people who get it will get over it ok. I worry about the supposed "mild" cases like OTWP had where he couldn't breathe for like a month. If that was me I would probably drop dead from an anxiety attack first. :-)
I talked to my daughter tonight and she wanted me to pass this message on to all of you that want to go back out to work and not wear masks and such.
Please make sure you have an updated DNR. They had a man code the other night and did 3-4 rounds of chest compressions because he didn't have a DNR and the family didn't want him to die. Not real good on the human body if you know what I mean.
Have a good night.
First off I would not call what OTWP had "mild" by any stretch. if you think what he had was mild then you're ****ed in your head more than I thought. Secondly you've already taken a cheap shot at me via my Son and yes, you are a complete ****head for that.
What people like you and titty boy don't get is just because some people don't share your fear or doom and gloom or in his case, his desire to stay at home and get paid to play video games all day, doesn't mean we don't take it seriously. But we also see the other aspects of things.
If people could just "stay at home" without having to worry about how they are going to feed their families then it wouldn't be a thing. But again what people like you and tit head don't get is most people don't get paid to stay at home. And those who don't can't just survive on a $1200 check.
So while you think I downplay the seriousness of the virus I would say you are the epitome of the person who downplays what it means to not work and earn money to feed your family. But that's because you aren't in a position that this impacts you financially as most who claim "you don't take this serous" are.
I can work from home and get paid. I am lucky. Most people can't. And that's just the fact you and your fear need to come to grips with. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah we know, you've been saying how Mo is a hot spot despite the numbers proving you wrong. But you know, keep telling everyone else how you are right. Your days of getting paid to play x-box are just about over.
Once again you're wrong and trying to make me look bad because my employer has decided to protect its employees as some sort of bad thing just speaks to how warped you really are.
So far a virus with no immunity or vaccine has killed 418 Missourians and that's only since middle of March when it became a thing here and the public has largely been shut down the past few months.
Looking at the most current stats I could find for leading causes of death in MO (2017):
Theres a pretty good chance the end of the year numbers could be higher than diabetes, stroke, suicide, the flu (which you claimed this was) and many other terrible diseases. Which most of those things listed arent even contagious like this virus.
Type away with each keystroke you only continue to prove you dont understand what you are talking about, you dont care who gets sick or dies as long as it's not you or someone you love. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Once again you're wrong and trying to make me look bad because my employer has decided to protect its employees as some sort of bad thing just speaks to how warped you really are.
So far a virus with no immunity or vaccine has killed 418 Missourians and that's only since middle of March when it became a thing here and the public has largely been shut down the past few months.
Looking at the most current stats I could find for leading causes of death in MO (2017):
Theres a pretty good chance the end of the year numbers could be higher than diabetes, stroke, suicide, the flu (which you claimed this was) and many other terrible diseases. Which most of those things listed arent even contagious like this virus.
Type away with each keystroke you only continue to prove you dont understand what you are talking about, you dont care who gets sick or dies as long as it's not you or someone you love.
Yeah, that's it. I don't care. Good straw man.
Let me say you only care because it means you get to stay at home and get paid to play your video games. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, that's it. I don't care. Good straw man.
Let me say you only care because it means you get to stay at home and get paid to play your video games.
"Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
This is classic panic porn."
I dont play video games but if I only wanted to stay home and play video games I sure wouldnt down vote your verbal diaherria because all of what youve proposed doing will only cause more deaths and pro long the virus. We rushed the openings and did very little meaningful stuff to slow the virus down. There will be more shutdowns in the future. Thank you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat: I dont play video games but if I only wanted to stay home and play video games I sure wouldnt down your verbal diaherria because all of what youve proposed doing will only cause more deaths and pro long the virus. We rushed the openings and did very little meaningful stuff to slow the virus down. There will be more shutdowns in the future. Thank you.
Yeah, I don't believe a fucking word you say. You are the typical asshole that as long as they are getting paid to stay home thinks everyone should just stay home.
Meanwhile I would lay real $ the instant your check got cut off you'd be screaming that we need to get back to work, etc.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, I don't believe a ****ing word you say. You are the typical asshole that as long as they are getting paid to stay home thinks everyone should just stay home.
Meanwhile I would lay real $ the instant your check got cut off you'd be screaming that we need to get back to work, etc.
And you're very ****ing welcome.
Fantastic argument Pete.
What happens to those going back who rely on tips? You think just because everything is open theyll make enough to pay rent? What happens when they dont? What happens if they miss a few weeks because they contact the virus? What if the business has a large outbreak?
Yeah I'd like as many people to stay home as possible right now because we dont really have an answer as to what happens under the questions I laid out nor do we have enough testing right now to target the virus.
"Open everything up" is baseless nonsense at this point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Fantastic argument Pete.
What happens to those going back who rely on tips? You think just because everything is open theyll make enough to pay rent? What happens when they dont? What happens if they miss a few weeks because they contact the virus? What if the business has a large outbreak?
Yeah I'd like as many people to stay home as possible right now because we dont really have an answer as to what happens under the questions I laid out nor do we have enough testing right now to target the virus.
"Open everything up" is baseless nonsense at this point.
Yeah, I know, you are so worried about those people who need tips to survive that you want to keep them unemployed.
So, you wanna know what happens to them? They go broke if they listen to you.
You'd like everyone to stay at home because you are lucky enough to be getting your check to do stay at home. So the truth is, you don't give a rat's ass about anyone else so long as you are doing okay.
Meanwhile Mayor Lucas whom you've been so proud of, thankfully decided to ease the restrictions on restaurants today. No one said "open everything up". That's just another pitiful straw man you have to keep throwing out.
It's simple...no one is putting a gun to your head to force you to go out. You don't want to go out? Don't. But you know, it's okay if you want to go to Hawaiian Bro's and you know, take advantage of them risking themselves so you can eat something you could very well go without. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
First off I would not call what OTWP had "mild" by any stretch. if you think what he had was mild then you're ****ed in your head more than I thought.
Don't they classify anyone who doesn't go to the hospital as a mild case no matter how sick they are?
Big problem with all the stats showing number of mild cases? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Don't they classify anyone who doesn't go to the hospital as a mild case no matter how sick they are?
Big problem with all the stats showing number of mild cases?
I don't know but I wouldn't call his case mild. Perhaps wouldn't call it critical either. I don't see any stats for "mild". Not saying there aren't any. I do see stats for serious\critical. I would say he was probably serious.
But to be honest I don't know how they classify the cases. I can tell you this, our hospitals are not flooded with Covid patients. Not even close to flooded. So take that for what it's worth.
I would even go as far to say that we are spending more resources trying to prevent and be cautious of it than we are actually treating it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, I know, you are so worried about those people who need tips to survive that you want to keep them unemployed.
So, you wanna know what happens to them? They go broke if they listen to you.
You'd like everyone to stay at home because you are lucky enough to be getting your check to do stay at home. So the truth is, you don't give a rat's ass about anyone else so long as you are doing okay.
Meanwhile Mayor Lucas whom you've been so proud of, thankfully decided to ease the restrictions on restaurants today. No one said "open everything up". That's just another pitiful straw man you have to keep throwing out.
It's simple...no one is putting a gun to your head to force you to go out. You don't want to go out? Don't. But you know, it's okay if you want to go to Hawaiian Bro's and you know, take advantage of them risking themselves so you can eat something you could very well go without.
Thanks for the not answering what happens to those people and most arent broke right now they are collecting unemployment and I support them doing so or atleast creating something like UBI until we can come up with an actual plan.
Its evident you have no answer you just mirror what certain ideologies tell you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
First off I would not call what OTWP had "mild" by any stretch. if you think what he had was mild then you're ****ed in your head more than I thought. Secondly you've already took a cheap shot at me via my Son and yes, you are a complete ****head for that.
What people like you and titty boy don't get is just because some people don't share your fear or doom and gloom or in his case, his desire to stay at home and get paid to play video games all day, doesn't mean we don't take it seriously. But we also see the other aspects of things.
If people could just "stay at home" without having to worry about how they are going to feed their families then it wouldn't be a thing. But again what people like you and tit head don't get is most people don't get paid to stay at home. And those who don't can't just survive on a $1200 check.
So while you think I downplay the seriousness of the virus I would say you are the epitome of the person who downplays what it means to not work and earn money to feed your family. But that's because you aren't in a position that this impacts you financially as most who claim "you don't take this serous" are.
I can work from home and get paid. I am lucky. Most people can't. And that's just the fact you and your fear need to come to grips with.
WTF? "Mild" was sarcastic. You should go back and read his posts on this subject. People are classifying mild covid as not being hospitalized. Yeah he didn't have mild symptoms and alot of covid positive people aren't hospitalized but they aren't having "mild" symptoms either.
I don't even know what the rest of your post is about. We are both in health care IT and both are lucky that way. I have family that own small business and are out of work they also aren't taking this pandemic serious either. It sucks all the way around and we need to find a balance. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Thanks for the not answering what happens to those people and most arent broke right now they are collecting unemployment and I support them doing so or atleast creating something like UBI until we can come up with an actual plan.
Its evident you have no answer you just mirror what certain ideologies tell you.
"Most aren't broke right now"....spoken like someone who has no fucking clue of what he is talking about. Like I said, the second you stop getting paid to sit on your ass will be the second you start screaming to open things up. You aren't fooling a fucking person about it. [Reply]
