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eDave 10:57 AM 07-10-2020
You don't have to like rap but should be respected as an art form. It's just poetry.
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InChiefsHeaven 06:08 AM 07-11-2020
Saw it last night with my wife. It was worth the 7 bucks easily. (Plus, now I can watch The Mandalorian...).

I enjoyed it immensely. So much so that a second viewing is not at all out of the question. I'm not a rap guy at all, but I do find myself enjoying some rap music. Most noteably Emminem. Not because he's white, he just has a voice and a delivery that I can't ignore. There are a LOT of catchy cool songs in this, and the delivery by the stage actors only add to it. There are a TON of lyrics of course, so I don't expect to know every word no matter how many times I watch it. So that makes it way different than say Jesus Christ SuperStar, which I pretty much have memorized.

As a conservative, I was not offended at all. Yeah, there was some "Women Power" stuff and some "immigrant power" stuff, but not much. I thought the way they handled Hamilton's death was maybe one of the best things I've ever seen from a stage production.

I found myself thinking how good this story would be as a Netflix series to really flesh out the history, which I'm mostly ignorant of. That means that it did its job, it made me curious and I now want to know more about the whole thing.

Lastly, I made the mistake of watching the woke ass 45 minute special with the actors afterwards. Mostly when they talked about the art it was fine, but my SJW radar was beeping through most of it. Meh. Just watch the musical. It's just really good.

Favorite Characters:
Elisa
Burr
King George
Washington
Lafayette\Jefferson
Hamilton

Yeah, the namesake was the weakest performer IMO.
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InChiefsHeaven 06:11 AM 07-11-2020
Also though, it seemed this production was lip synced...is that correct?
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DaFace 08:05 AM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven:
Also though, it seemed this production was lip synced...is that correct?
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.
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BigRedChief 09:00 AM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.
I read an article about whats considered "live" and whats not by whatever governing board, actors guild, union?


The gist is like in this case, they can take any audio or performance from those two days and mash them together, The comedy specials we see from everyone are usually recorded over two days and mashed together. But, if you say its live, you cant put studio recorded audio into the live broadcast.
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InChiefsHeaven 09:03 AM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
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DJ's left nut 02:04 PM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.

I THINK that all of the audio was taken from the live performances during the days they recorded (which I understand was two actual shows with an audience and one day of filming various close-up shots). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there were moments when the audio was from Day 1 and you were seeing video from the close-ups, for example. So in that sense, it was probably synced a little, but definitely not end to end.
Watch Angelica's dress and you'll have your answer....

During Speechless the flowers around her neck come and go.

Not lip synced, however, there were some moments spliced in that were done after the recorded performance. They were done without an audience and they were primarily for more 'intimate' close-up shots. It's still a 'live' performance and not overdubbed, but they did do some editing of a few moments here and there.
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DaneMcCloud 03:06 PM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Watch Angelica's dress and you'll have your answer....

During Speechless the flowers around her neck come and go.

No, lip synced, however, there were some moments spliced in that were done after the recorded performance. They were done without an audience and they were primarily for more 'intimate' close-up shots. It's still a 'live' performance and not overdubbed, but they did do some editing of a few moments here and there.
The show was edited together using more than a dozen stage recordings. I haven't checked around but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any overdubbing because that's generally easier than making vocally tuned tracks sound natural.
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DaFace 11:10 PM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The show was edited together using more than a dozen stage recordings. I haven't checked around but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any overdubbing because that's generally easier than making vocally tuned tracks sound natural.
Just two with an audience and one day for some songs without.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/m...streaming.html
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DaneMcCloud 03:04 PM 07-11-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't know exactly how they did it, but they did NOT studio record the audio and sync to that. The studio version is far more produced.
The microphones were all routed and recorded in Pro Tools while the video was recorded in Avid, where the final edits and audio mix was completed and rendered.

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet (my wife and kids have seen it a half a dozen times since last week) but once everything's benn recorded into an Avid rig and Pro Tools, anything can be fixed, from pitchy vocals to the overall live mix.

While I'm certain that there are different performances from the recordings 2016, the editor will pick the best performance and roll with it. So unlike a general stage performance, we're seeing the best possible performances edited together from many different nights (which is not unusual).

These performances were also recorded without an audience, making the audio editing (and probably the video editing) much, much easier than if there was a live crowd due to the silence in the theater.

That would also explain why some people have felt the edited performance fell a little flat as compared to the theater experience because stage actors really feed off of the audience and their reactions.

Slightly off-topic but I've been watching the Frozen 2 doco series on Disney+ and just as I had imagined, all of Kristen Bell's (and many of the cast members) had their vocals tuned because all of them were extremely pitchy when seen recording their vocals for the songs.
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BigRedChief 04:24 PM 07-11-2020

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Mama Hip Rockets 07:40 PM 07-12-2020
I finally watched it, and I thought it lived up to the hype. Very impressive performances all around. It seems that a lot of people in here don't appreciate how much skill it takes to write and perform a production with this much rapping in it.
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MagicHef 01:17 PM 07-14-2020
I enjoyed it very much, but was shocked by how much Miranda was overshadowed by every other person in the production.
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Frazod 03:15 PM 07-15-2020
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
I enjoyed it very much, but was shocked by how much Miranda was overshadowed by every other person in the production.
I saw the pre-Broadway run of Spamalot in Chicago. Tim Curry played King Arthur, and I went in thinking there couldn't be a better choice to stand in for the late great Graham Chapman. But his performance was flat as a board; pretty much everybody else blew him off the stage. Especially David Hyde Pierce, who played Robin.
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Pasta Little Brioni 09:58 PM 07-15-2020
He said that? |Marx|
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