Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Weird shoving sick people back in nursing homes could have bad outcomes?!?!, who would have ****ing thought that.
Dude, some people have just dug in their heels and refuse to even listen to anything outside of their own conclusions. That goes both ways to a degree. Many people will grasp onto any bad news without question and shoot down or otherwise find holes no matter how minute in any good news.
The lock down in large part may have been more devastating than not locking down but some people are so myopic in their view they refuse to see it. I mean when you say stupid things like you can't go to an AA meeting but you can go to a liquor store something is wrong. Opioid abuse is up big time. Calls into mental health hotlines are up big time. Spousal, child, drug and alcohol abuse are up big time. And there are 100's if not 1000's of deaths directly related to this but they aren't "covid" so who gives a fuck? Be lucky you died at home from a heart attack because you were to scared to go to the empty hospital. At least you didn't die from Covid.
When you send sick people into a nursing home something is wrong. WTF would you knowingly do that? Then we hear people scream about the death rates and cases going up largely in part because of that.
3 months ago we were told this was nothing to worry about
2 months ago we were told to wipe down everything in sight
2 months ago we were told not to wear masks or gloves
1 month ago we were told to start wearing masks
Couple weeks ago we were told to stop wearing gloves
Couple days ago we were told we don't need to wipe shit down so much
We got told South Dakota was going to be a huge hot spot because they never locked down
We got told Georgia was sacrificing people or whatever
We got told Florida was going to blow up
And if you dare question any of the mainstream narrative then by God you are a selfish fucker that doesn't care if people die.
And all this lock down shit was to keep the hospitals from being overrun. Okay. Great. Mission accomplished. In fact maybe too well as now hospitals have been laying people off.
Now that we have achieved that there are new reasons to stay locked down in some areas. For some reason you can't go to church but you can go to Wal-Mart.
And never mind the fact that when only Home Depot and the grocery store is open you're going to have a shit load of people doing just what you don't want.....all going to the same places.
This entire thing is fucked up in so many different ways but for some reason we are only supposed to see it in one way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Strongside:
This board has diminished more brain cells than drugs or alcohol ever could, no question.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Dude, some people have just dug in their heels and refuse to even listen to anything outside of their own conclusions. That goes both ways to a degree. Many people will grasp onto any bad news without question and shoot down or otherwise find holes no matter how minute in any good news.
The lock down in large part may have been more devastating than not locking down but some people are so myopic in their view they refuse to see it. I mean when you say stupid things like you can't go to an AA meeting but you can go to a liquor store something is wrong. Opioid abuse is up big time. Calls into mental health hotlines are up big time. Spousal, child, drug and alcohol abuse are up big time. And there are 100's if not 1000's of deaths directly related to this but they aren't "covid" so who gives a fuck? Be lucky you died at home from a heart attack because you were to scared to go to the empty hospital. At least you didn't die from Covid.
When you send sick people into a nursing home something is wrong. WTF would you knowingly do that? Then we hear people scream about the death rates and cases going up largely in part because of that.
3 months ago we were told this was nothing to worry about
2 months ago we were told to wipe down everything in sight
2 months ago we were told not to wear masks or gloves
1 month ago we were told to start wearing masks
Couple weeks ago we were told to stop wearing gloves
Couple days ago we were told we don't need to wipe shit down so much
We got told South Dakota was going to be a huge hot spot because they never locked down
We got told Georgia was sacrificing people or whatever
We got told Florida was going to blow up
And if you dare question any of the mainstream narrative then by God you are a selfish fucker that doesn't care if people die.
And all this lock down shit was to keep the hospitals from being overrun. Okay. Great. Mission accomplished. In fact maybe too well as now hospitals have been laying people off.
Now that we have achieved that there are new reasons to stay locked down in some areas. For some reason you can't go to church but you can go to Wal-Mart.
And never mind the fact that when only Home Depot and the grocery store is open you're going to have a shit load of people doing just what you don't want.....all going to the same places.
This entire thing is fucked up in so many different ways but for some reason we are only supposed to see it in one way.
Insert applause gif here.
This is exactly what I tried to say but didn’t do such an eloquent job. I blame the bourbon.
We’re just a bunch of lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, to riff on Floyd.
There are facts. I respect facts. I also respect the fact that not everyone sees this crisis through the same lens as me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Strongside:
Insert applause gif here.
This is exactly what I tried to say but didn’t do such an eloquent job. I blame the bourbon.
We’re just a bunch of lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, to riff on Floyd.
There are facts. I respect facts. I also respect the fact that not everyone sees this crisis through the same lens as me.
Well I don't know how eloquent it is and it is really just a rant. You can post 2 competing articles from the same site and watch 2 people dig their heels in on why one is wrong. I believe if you have symptoms you should wear a mask. I believe you shouldn't be getting up in someone's grill regardless of Covid. And actually the 6ft thing is the most effective. The mask on the other hand isn't going to do you any good if you sit there and chat up someone for several minutes. The mask in large part is just to keep you from hacking your crap all over someone. Otherwise even without a mask casually passing someone in say an isle at the store isn't going to expose you long enough to get infectious. They have already stated they think it takes about 1,000 units of this shit to infect you and that we we expel about 900 units a minute between talking and breathing. A mask will extend that to maybe 2-3 minutes at best.
So again, the key is keeping distance when you get down to it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Public perception in Kansas or Missouri may be different than other parts of the country.
I think the NFL will play regardless and that has nothing to do with comparing this to the flu. It’s just all about the money for them.
I see Olive & Ivy is re-opening. Take your ass up there and have a fillet for me. It's arguably one of the best steaks I have ever had. If you order it cooked anything more than medium rare I will slap you with a dirty sock twice. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Uninformed ideas about public health have real life consequences. It's a lot more important than what happens in a football game, and it absolutely should be taken seriously.
If uninformed ideas about public health are so dangerous (they are) then should an open thread about a world pandemic really exist on a football message board? Let’s not forget where we are.
Thank God the masses aren’t relying on us. [Reply]
Eleazar is still stewing that Tyreek isn't on death row and instead is still in the NFL with full custody of his kids and crazy GF out of the picture.
You should leave again for months like you did after Reek was cleared. Have a good cry then come back with name change and hope no one remembers. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I see Olive & Ivy is re-opening. Take your ass up there and have a fillet for me. It's arguably one of the best steaks I have ever had. If you order it cooked anything more than medium rare I will slap you with a dirty sock twice.
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Uninformed ideas about public health have real life consequences. It's a lot more important than what happens in a football game, and it absolutely should be taken seriously.
Like the fact the vast majority of people who are in danger from Covid are older unhealthy people? Or that we have already accomplished th initial goal of not overrunning out healthcare systems? [Reply]
