Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
It's a bit of a long read, but I found this article to be really informative about the actual risks of various types of activities. It's worth the read if you have a few minutes.
It's "just a blog," but you can read the author's credentials at the top (immunologist), and it's cited the whole way through. It focuses on how many "transmission events" (outbreaks and other traced infections) have occurred under different circumstances, which I like a lot more than the theoretical stuff based on when virus particles can be found in the air.
A couple highlights from my perspective:
Successful virus transmission is a factor of exposure plus time. The gist is that, if it takes 1000 virus particles to become infected, that can be 100 breaths in an environment where you're taking in 10 at a time, or it could be taking a direct sneeze to the face where you take in thousands all at once. That means that the biggest issues are indoor environments without great ventilation.
"The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections. Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections)."
So in short, it seems like outdoor activities should be relatively safe. While it's technically possible you could become infected outdoors, it would take a prolonged period of time being exposed to someone's exhaled air. That said, sneezing, coughing, or 80k people yelling at the top of their lungs for 3 hours straight would all make it far more likely.
Retail is probably not terrible, though the distancing guidelines make sense to keep the concentrations of exhaled air to a minimum.
Offices just depend on the ventilation and layout. If you work in an open office, I'd certainly be lobbying to keep the number of people working remotely up as high as possible.
Restaurants? Ehh...let's just say I personally won't be going to any restaurants that don't have an open window I can sit at at least. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
He's one of those morons taking a fake 50-cal made of wood and PVC to order a sandwich at Subway to "own the libs"
This from the attention-whore who spent weeks on here trying to convince himself and hoping that he had COVID-19. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Yea might need to keep the politics out of this. We can disagree but this is a 100% political post.
Ban me from the thread then. I don't give a shit.
To claim this thread is politics-free is fucking rich, considering the same DC assholes are here spreading misinformation and begging to reopen just like they are over in the cesspool. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
It is but I would plan around black fly season , you would be staying indoors by choice.
Ontario is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Of course I've only been there in early summer. We fish the Quetico in canoes. My favorite fishing is paddling down the shoreline throwing leech tipped jigs for smallmouth. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The reason why they said masks were useless in first place is because of people like you, Contamination of the mask especially the inside of it puts your even more at risk, wash hands put it on and leave it on , it should be treated as sterile equipment.
This makes sense.
As I mentioned previously, we have more than 300 medical gloves, which are currently sitting next to the front door. We have more than a dozen cloth masks in various sizes for everyone in my family.
When I go out in public, I don’t put on my mask and gloves until I reach my destination. Once I’ve completed shopping, I unload my groceries but before I get into my car to drive, I take off my mask then dispose of the gloves in a trash can. I immediately use hand sanitizer before driving home.
Once I’m home, I have to unload all of the goods by my front doors, where I have several towels and a spray bottle of Clorox Cleaner with Bleac ready for us. Every single item has to be sprayed down and wiped clean, then they’re brought into the home using a clean and laundered cloth bag.
I then undress and put my clothes directly in the washer, then shower. It’s an exhausting process that takes nearly all day when I shop for two weeks, but so far, so good.
What really sucks are the short runs, like Home Depot. Showering two or three times a day is a bit much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
This makes sense.
As I mentioned previously, we have more than 300 medical gloves, which are currently sitting next to the front door. We have more than a dozen cloth masks in various sizes for everyone in my family.
When I go out in public, I don’t put on my mask and gloves until I reach my destination. Once I’ve completed shopping, I unload my groceries but before I get into my car to drive, I take off my mask then dispose of the gloves in a trash can. I immediately use hand sanitizer before driving home.
Once I’m home, I have to unload all of the goods by my front doors, where I have several towels and a spray bottle of Clorox Cleaner with Bleac ready for us. Every single item has to be sprayed down and wiped clean, then they’re brought into the home using a clean and laundered cloth bag.
I then undress and put my clothes directly in the washer, then shower. It’s an exhausting process that takes nearly all day when I shop for two weeks, but so far, so good.
What really sucks are the short runs, like Home Depot. Showering two or three times a day is a bit much.
It is hard to not contaminate your self or things , it is even hard for hospital workers who sometimes have helpers just for donning and doffing PPE. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
No Fresno State, San Diego State or San Jose State football.
Is this official? I’m not seeing it on ESPN or CBS Sports. I feel like this being official would be a big news deal. I mean, it’s not the SEC or anything but the MWC is a decent mid major, if I say so myself. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Why Not?:
Is this official? I’m not seeing it on ESPN or CBS Sports. I feel like this being official would be a big news deal. I mean, it’s not the SEC or anything but the MWC is a decent mid major, if I say so myself.
ditto. Only seeing twitter. Not anywhere else. [Reply]
