Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Mecca:
I wonder if in a few years we'll all look back and say the Covid quarantine really jump started my weight gain and we all talk about the covid 20 we put on.
It's funny. Since we've been cooking 100% of our meals for two weeks I think we've been eating a lot healthier. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It's not a plan. It's a pipe dream.
My plan for making it through this? That Giselle Bundchen will leave Tom Brady, see me at a Wal-Mart and decide she must have me before settling for merely making me her play toy and financially supporting my family.
That plan is just as much a plan as "everyone will just do what the government tells them to do..." It is equally as likely to happen.
It's a prayer with the name 'plan' attached to it.
That's my point. Or more accurately, my point is that policymakers know damn good and well that they aren't going to get 100% compliance and all this complaining is mostly hand-wringing and Kabuki theater. They want to be able to say "look - we TOLD these people to stay inside..." so that nobody blames them for anything. It's a CYA bitch-fest from policymakers.
Because their 'plan' of everyone being as calm as hindu cows and doing what they're told is just wholly unrealistic. You know it, I know it and they damn sure know it.
I have to believe they were factoring in 'acceptable noncompliance' and if they weren't...well like I said, that's a really shitty plan.
No doubt CYA plays a huge part in it but as I said it is the only plan left. We didn't do what we needed to do in the early days so this is what we are left with.
Look at what Germany did compared to us.
Originally Posted by : Late last year — long before most people had heard of the new coronavirus now sweeping the globe — scientists in Germany sprang into action to develop a test for the virus that was causing an unusual respiratory disease in central China.
They had one by mid-January — and labs around the country were ready to start using it just weeks later, around the same time that Europe’s most populous country registered its first case.
In the rare position of having beds to spare, German hospitals have taken in dozens of patients from Italy and France. While that will allow German doctors and nurses to learn how to treat severely ill COVID-19 patients, it also reflects a remarkable confidence in the country’s ability to manage its outbreak at a time when many others are shutting their borders.
The Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s disease control center, has suggested that strong measures imposed almost three weeks ago, including closing schools and restaurants, and later barring more than two people from gathering outside, seem to have slowed the rate of new infections.
Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake:
It's funny. Since we've been cooking 100% of our meals for two weeks I think we've been eating a lot healthier.
In between for me. We're still doing takeout quite a bit (and it's almost easier since it's cheaper not paying for booze and we otherwise have jack shit to spend money on). Our meals have otherwise been more healthy, but my wife loves to bake and has been doing something near daily to pass the time... [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
In the rare position of having beds to spare, German hospitals have taken in dozens of patients from Italy and France.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
In between for me. We're still doing takeout quite a bit (and it's almost easier since it's cheaper not paying for booze and we otherwise have jack shit to spend money on). Our meals have otherwise been more healthy, but my wife loves to bake and has been doing something near daily to pass the time...
So your house is full of cookies and cakes and pies? I love pie send me an apple... [Reply]
Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake:
It's funny. Since we've been cooking 100% of our meals for two weeks I think we've been eating a lot healthier.
Everyone in our household is eating far less than pre-Lockdown.
Since the kids aren't able to have recess twice a day or PE while the parks, Disneyland and walking trails are all closed, they're hardly eating at all because they're not burning their normal calories.
Same goes for me: Lake Hollywood is closed so I can't even go on walks or runs, so I'm eating the bare minimum for most meals because I know I'm not going to be able to burn as many calories as normal.
This probably doesn't apply to the under-40 crowd but for those of us over 40, counting calories each day has become a real thing for me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by LoneWolf:
Your math sucks since we don’t know what the mortality rate is because we have no idea how many people have actually been infected.
We have mortality rates for the flu and similar and it's the same thing.... we have no idea how many people are actually infected each year.
Yeah, there's educated guesswork involved, but hell... 3.3 million at 2% would be 1.65 million at 1% or 825,000 at .5%.
