Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I think they're mostly worried about the holidays, as they should. We've been wearing masks and indoor dining/bar service was shut down 2 weeks ago. Its people gathering in general.
They won't/can't enforce it. Its more of a plea to the community.
From another article:
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Additionally, officials said CDPH Health Orders require any gatherings held inside private residences be limited to six non-household members.
“The City has the authority to fine individuals for breaking this requirement and hosting large social gatherings in their private residences,” officials said in a statement.
1. More testing
2. More people congregating indoors due to colder weather
3. Less people caring about masks and social distancing
I say 1 and 3.
El Paso is going crazy. Do you think it is cold in El Paso?
There's a spike in here DFW too (nothing like El Paso, but still). We're having the best weather of the year right now....highs in the mid to upper 70s. People are spending lots of time outside. [Reply]
Wife works for a hospital/therapy that just had to bring in covid patients which means this is getting bad again.
She is currently implementing new care centers for elderly people and her boss told her today that they will definitely be at the top of the list for vaccination.
News about Moderna releasing their results this month are promising. I think we are gonna have the vaccine ready in January. Wouldn’t be surprised if our Super Bowl media weeks will be clustered down chiefs news bc vaccine readiness will dominate the airwaves. [Reply]
1. More testing
2. More people congregating indoors due to colder weather
3. Less people caring about masks and social distancing
I'm not buying more testing. Not a valid excuse at all for the exponential increase. No data to back up that theory.
Every state in America is seeing the % of positive cases spike. Some are at 25%-45% positive cases tested. Thats evidence that its just not more testing, but covid is spreading exponentially in our communities.
The IMHE model is predicting 300K deaths by the end of the year. #2/3 are more likely the cause and also the % of cases spiking. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I'm not buying more testing. Not a valid excuse at all for the exponential increase. No data to back up that theory. But, every state in America is seeing the % of positive cases spike. Some are at 25%-45% positive cases tested. Thats evidence that its just not more testing, but covid is spreading exponentially in our communities.
The IMHE model is predicting 300K deaths by the end of the year. #2/3 are more likely the cause.
We're spiking here and I see masks pretty much everywhere. People here are wearing them and we're spiking anyway. I know elsewhere in the state, it's an issue because the governor just put a mask mandate in place but in my community, we're largely compliant already and still seeing a 20% plus spike. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I'm not buying more testing. Not a valid excuse at all for the exponential increase. No data to back up that theory.
Every state in America is seeing the % of positive cases spike. Some are at 25%-45% positive cases tested. Thats evidence that its just not more testing, but covid is spreading exponentially in our communities.
The IMHE model is predicting 300K deaths by the end of the year. #2/3 are more likely the cause.
You can't dismiss the increased testing entirely like that. If we had done this level of testing in February, March, and April - we probably would have been blown away by the number of daily cases.
I stopped paying any attention to what the IHME model said about 4 months ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
You can't dismiss the increased testing entirely like that. If we had done this level of testing in February, March, and April - we probably would have been blown away by the number of daily cases.
I stopped paying any attention to what the IHME model said about 4 months ago.
I agree more tests are being done than say a month ago. But, not an exponential increase to give any credence its more testing. I'm not seeing the cause and effect relationship. Its more than one reason.
It's okay, you can have your opinion, I'll have mine. Not saying your wrong. We both hope the experts know the "real" reason for the exponential increase and what to do to stop it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
I agree more tests are being done than say a month ago. But, not an exponential increase to give any credence its more testing. I'm not seeing the cause and effect relationship. Its more than one reason.
It's okay, you can have your opinion, I'll have mine. Not saying your wrong. We both hope the experts know the "real" reason for the exponential increase and what to do to stop it.
My fear is they don't. And I'm concerned it's more complicated than people not taking precautions and gathering more.
But that's just the fearful side of me.
My logical side says to keep doing what I've been doing for the last 8 months and take all the precautions I can. There's nothing else that can really be done. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
We're spiking here and I see masks pretty much everywhere. People here are wearing them and we're spiking anyway. I know elsewhere in the state, it's an issue because the governor just put a mask mandate in place but in my community, we're largely compliant already and still seeing a 20% plus spike.
Yeah, masks are not a pancea. Just a part of an overall strategy. I think O.city is probably right. People wearing masks may have been over confident they wouldn't get it or pass it along. Maybe if everyone had a n95 mask to wear, that might make a difference in the % of positive cases. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Yeah, masks are not a pancea. Just a part of an overall strategy. I think O.city is probably right. People wearing masks may have been over confident they wouldn't get it or pass it along. Maybe if everyone had a n95 mask to wear, that might make a difference in the % of positive cases.
It has always been and continues to be that masks in public + SD in public + don't gather indoors + hand hygiene will most likely keep you from getting Covid. [Reply]
