Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by TLO:
Yes. There was someone who had 2 positive tests a couple months apart if I remember correctly.
Asymptomatic the first time. Mild symptoms the second.
I can't speak to that person but we do know that people are infectious for 5 days or so and can test positive months afterwards as the PCR tests can pick up fragments of virus.
The PCR tests are run at so many cycles that up to 90% of the positives are not actually infectious according to the NY Times. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Do you think the music scene will eventually recover?
We've lost a few well-known venues over the last few weeks. Things are looking bleak for people that do this for a living. My gig is only part-time so it's more just frustrating to me not being able to play but I've got a buddy that is doing construction work and things aren't looking good.
I feel it will come back in time but the venue landscape may look a lot different. The speculation here (Chicago) is that 90% of existing music venues will be forced to close without the Heroes Act passing.
And who knows, maybe all of this will help spawn something new and exciting that will thrive. That's my hope anyway. [Reply]
So, since there is no safe live music and I cannot earn in either performing or in production, I've been working on a buddy's crew rehabbing and painting houses.
Today we started on a lady's house in Leawood. We wear masks when in contact with the client but not around each other as my buddy rents a room in my house and we're around each other all the time. This client did not wear a mask around us at all, all day long, and was frequently in close quarters with us.
Tonight we got an email from her. Apparently, she'd been not feeling well for the last week or so and so she had gotten a Covid test. It came back today, after we left.
Positive.
How considerate of her. I guess we're just the help, so who cares, right?
**** ME.
Thats BS. We are 9 months in this shitshow. You get flu like symptoms, stay the fuck away from your workers or strangers. Maybe its only seasonal flu, maybe not. Everyone should treat it as Covid until the negative tests come back. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Thats BS. We are 9 months in this shitshow. You get flu like symptoms, stay the **** away from your workers or strangers. Maybe its only seasonal flu, maybe not. Everyone should treat it as Covid until the negative tests come back.
It's unfortunate that the focus wasn't "If you're sick, stay home."
CDC telling people they could break quarantine to vote was :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Talked to Mom yesterday and she’s on lockdown because she rode In the car with my sister who then came down with the Rona. She doesn’t have any symptoms, so fingers crossed. She’s 82.
Hopefully your mom did not get and if she did, I hope it's a very mild case. Thoughts and prayers. Both my parents had it (although they are much younger), so I kind of know the feeling. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Getting it twice is extremely rare
Enough that I wouldn’t worry about it
The number of people being infected twice is so minuscule that it's basically a rounding error. There are so few documented cases from around the world that it's not worth worrying about at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
The number of people being infected twice is so minuscule that it's basically a rounding error. There are so few documented cases from around the world that it's not worth worrying about at all.
Originally Posted by TLO:
The number of people being infected twice is so minuscule that it's basically a rounding error. There are so few documented cases from around the world that it's not worth worrying about at all.
And from what I understand it isn't that you got infected twice but that you had a "persistent infection". So you never really got rid of it to begin with. But who knows? Lewdog had it twice but he is a weird fucker as it is. [Reply]
