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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

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Donger 11:09 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
You know that’s not the point.
Yes, it is the point. If you think it isn't, feel free to explain.
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Donger 11:11 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I see they are being sued for restricting use to only hospitalized covid patients but not for this decision.
And the outfit that's suing is hardly objective.
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BigCatDaddy 11:14 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by tooge:
Wouldn't daily change in deaths be an easier way to really track this thing since so many people are asymptomatic. If you die, and you tested positive, that's a real number. The cases vary by testing. No? If so, then it looks like it's slowly going down, not up.
I'd like to hear a response from one of the Branch Covidians on this.
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loochy 11:18 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by tooge:
Wouldn't daily change in deaths be an easier way to really track this thing since so many people are asymptomatic. If you die, and you tested positive, that's a real number. The cases vary by testing. No? If so, then it looks like it's slowly going down, not up.

Yes, but the deaths are such a lagging indicator that it makes action even that much more behind the curve.
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BigCatDaddy 11:22 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by loochy:
Yes, but the deaths are such a lagging indicator that it makes action even that much more behind the curve.
Most places started opening up at the beginning of May. 6 weeks after that deaths are down about 60% nationwide.

At some point we need to say the open up crowd was correct. It won't happen but should.
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kgrund 11:26 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Considering that this thing is spread by humans, it's just common sense that reopening was and is leading to new cases and hospitalizations.
In terms of tracking the progress of the pandemic new cases is a fairly useless number in and of itself. The only thing that matters, as it relates to new cases, is the daily % of those tested that have tested positive for the virus. That should be a far more relevant number than gross new cases especially when the rate of testing is increasing at a vastly more rapid rate than detected positive cases. As mentioned earlier, in terms of the muddiness of the reporting, it would also seem to only make intuitive sense that any antibody tests and their results are parsed out of the reported new daily tests and cases. Track them separately but leave them out of new daily tests and cases given the fact they may have had it a couple of months ago is irrelevant to the daily count.
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DaFace 11:26 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Most places started opening up at the beginning of May. 6 weeks after that deaths are down about 60% nationwide.

At some point we need to say the open up crowd was correct. It won't happen but should.
This is a false dichotomy. The debate was about the timing and magnitude of relaxing restrictions, not whether it should be done at all.
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lewdog 11:26 AM 06-15-2020
Neighbors inviting our family over for a big 60th birthday party this Saturday.

Can’t wait!!!
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eDave 11:27 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Neighbors inviting our family over for a big 60th birthday party this Saturday.

Can’t wait!!!
hmmmm.
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Donger 11:27 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by kgrund:
In terms of tracking the progress of the pandemic new cases is a fairly useless number in and of itself. The only thing that matters, as it relates to new cases, is the daily % of those tested that have tested positive for the virus. That should be a far more relevant number than gross new cases especially when the rate of testing is increasing at a vastly more rapid rate than detected positive cases. As mentioned earlier, in terms of the muddiness of the reporting, it would also seem to only make intuitive sense that any antibody tests and their results are parsed out of the reported new daily tests and cases. Track them separately but leave them out of new daily tests and cases given the fact they may have had it a couple of months ago is irrelevant to the daily count.
That's why I also mentioned hospitalizations.
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Donger 11:28 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
At some point we need to say the open up crowd was correct. It won't happen but should.
Correct in what regard?
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BigCatDaddy 11:32 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
This is a false dichotomy. The debate was about the timing and magnitude of relaxing restrictions, not whether it should be done at all.
Did you miss all the predictions of mass hospitalizations and deaths once restrictions were eased?
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eDave 11:32 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Correct in what regard?
Curious about this as well. AZ is popping, post opening up. I've been out a lot and it's like nothing ever happened. And the mood is high. And I gotta say, the women are on the prowl.
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DaFace 11:33 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Did you miss all the predictions of mass hospitalizations and deaths once restrictions were eased?
I hereby dub you an official member of the "world is black and white" club with Pete.
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petegz28 11:34 AM 06-15-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
Neighbors inviting our family over for a big 60th birthday party this Saturday.

Can’t wait!!!
you ever take your 2nd antibody test?
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