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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 02:40 PM 06-28-2020
https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/...878381063?s=21

That would put about 80 percent of people to have some sort of immunity Due to previous coronavirus infections
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petegz28 02:57 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/...878381063?s=21

That would put about 80 percent of people to have some sort of immunity Due to previous coronavirus infections
That's very interesting....
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dlphg9 03:12 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Bwana:
Is that back in stock in the stores like crapper paper? I haven't even looked to be honest.
Hand sanitizer is back and its back with a vengeance. The amount of different hand sanitizer on the market now is ridiculous. All these new hand sanitizers made by companies that were too late to the punch. The supply of sanitizer is probably 10x the demand now. That goes for masks too. Wal-Mart has packs of 50 masks for $30! Thats highway robbery and these companies are out of their fucking minds if they think those masks will be flying off shelves, especially when you can easily make a couple washable masks at home for a couple bucks per mask.

So many companies looking to capitalize on a pandemic and most of them are gonna be stuck with one hell of a supply of masks. Look for some damn good deals on masks in the next year if a vaccine is created.

I dont think I could try to capitalize on COVID19. These companies that came out with all these masks and hand sanitizers have to be hoping for COVID to come back like the Spanish Flu and no vaccine is discovered. If that happens then those things will fly off the shelf and they can charge even more ridiculous amounts of money. I know there are companies/industries that profit on death, but profiting on mass death and sickness seems to be an awfully shitty way to make money, since youre not gonna be able to enjoy that money if it gets bad enough that you make millions.
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petegz28 03:19 PM 06-28-2020
Wife just got back from Target...looks like a run on TP and paper towels is starting again....
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Discuss Thrower 03:33 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That's very interesting....
It's also wrong.
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petegz28 03:35 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
It's also wrong.
I didn't read a lot into it but could you elaborate a bit?
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O.city 03:35 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
It's also wrong.
So you’re disputing that there is any cross immunity?
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Discuss Thrower 03:36 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
So you’re disputing that there is any cross immunity?
Absolutely.
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O.city 03:39 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Absolutely.
Based on?
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petegz28 03:39 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Absolutely.
Can you substantiate your reasoning a bit more, please?
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O.city 03:41 PM 06-28-2020
It would explain the cruise ships and navy ships pretty well. Would also explain why Stockholm down curve with no major lock downs and such looks similar to New York’s
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dirk digler 03:44 PM 06-28-2020
https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/c...alth-problems/


Risk of never fully recovering after coronavirus ‘very real,’ scientists say

Originally Posted by :
Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.

Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes, and extreme inflammation that attacks multiple organ systems. The virus can also cause neurological complications that range from headache, dizziness and loss of taste or smell to seizures and confusion.

And recovery can be slow, incomplete and costly, with a huge impact on quality of life.

The broad and diverse manifestations of COVID-19 are somewhat unique, said Dr. Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist at Northwestern Medicine in Chicago.
With influenza, people with underlying heart conditions are also at higher risk of complications, Khan said. What is surprising about this virus is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs.

Kahn believes there will be a huge healthcare expenditure and burden for individuals who have survived COVID-19.

Patients who were in the intensive care unit or on a ventilator for weeks will need to spend extensive time in rehab to regain mobility and strength.
“It can take up to seven days for every one day that you’re hospitalized to recover that type of strength,” Kahn said. “It’s harder the older you are, and you may never get back to the same level of function.”

While much of the focus has been on the minority of patients who experience severe disease, doctors increasingly are looking to the needs of patients who were not sick enough to require hospitalization, but are still suffering months after first becoming infected.

Studies are just getting underway to understand the long-term effects of infection, Jay Butler, deputy director of infectious diseases at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters in a telephone briefing on Thursday.

“We hear anecdotal reports of people who have persistent fatigue, shortness of breath,” Butler said. “How long that will last is hard to say.”
While coronavirus symptoms typically resolve in two or three weeks, an estimated 1 in 10 experience prolonged symptoms, Dr. Helen Salisbury of the University of Oxford wrote in the British Medical Journal on Tuesday.
Salisbury said many of her patients have normal chest X-rays and no sign of inflammation, but they are still not back to normal.

“If you previously ran 5k three times a week and now feel breathless after a single flight of stairs, or if you cough incessantly and are too exhausted to return to work, then the fear that you may never regain your previous health is very real,” she wrote.

Dr. Igor Koralnik, chief of neuro-infectious diseases at Northwestern Medicine, reviewed current scientific literature and found about half of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had neurological complications, such as dizziness, decreased alertness, difficulty concentrating, disorders of smell and taste, seizures, strokes, weakness and muscle pain.

Koralnik, whose findings were published in the Annals of Neurology, has started an outpatient clinic for COVID-19 patients to study whether these neurological problems are temporary or permanent.

Kahn sees parallels with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Much of the early focus was on deaths.

“In recent years, we’ve been very focused on the cardiovascular complications of HIV survivorship,” Kahn said.

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TLO 03:48 PM 06-28-2020
Anyone have any insight on how accurate antigen testing for covid is? I'm seeing a number of 85%, but there doesn't seem to be anything recent on it.

I'm talking antigen testing done in a doctor's office.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 03:51 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
I guess I’m not following your timeline after the debit card purchase. Receive card (contact), run card, hand card back, grab spray bottle (secondary contact). Now the spray bottle has whatever the debit card had.
The outside of the bottle is, but if you spray both hands with said bottle, your hands are clean once the IPA has evaporated. An IPA wetted glove is not at risk of contamination because the alcohol kills the virus, and your gloved hand will be freshly wet since you just sprayed it. And spraying with Everclear is a waste.
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O.city 03:52 PM 06-28-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Anyone have any insight on how accurate antigen testing for covid is? I'm seeing a number of 85%, but there doesn't seem to be anything recent on it.

I'm talking antigen testing done in a doctor's office.
You mean antibody?
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