Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
People are so god damn stupid. Most people shouldn't even be using gloves since they clearly have no idea how to properly use them. They act like gloves are some sort of virus killer. I see people wearing gloves in the store and after they are done grabbing things they touch their phones or their faces with those same gloves. Most people are too god damn stupid to use gloves properly.
They made us wear gloves at the liquor store when this crap started. I pointed out how useless it was, since you needed to change them after every interaction. I carry some in the car to use at the gas pump, and then they go directly in the trash. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
Sure, if you're being liberal with almost
Haha, oops! Apparently looked at the wrong set of numbers! Let’s go with almost 2.5. Regardless, there are significant differences between the cities that direct comparisons aren’t very enlightening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
They made us wear gloves at the liquor store when this crap started. I pointed out how useless it was, since you needed to change them after every interaction. I carry some in the car to use at the gas pump, and then they go directly in the trash.
You don't need to change them after every interaction. Put 70% rubbing alcohol in a bottle and spray your gloves with them, then rub it in. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Third Eye:
Haha, oops! Apparently looked at the wrong set of numbers! Let’s go with almost 2.5. Regardless, there are significant differences between the cities that direct comparisons aren’t very enlightening.
Agreed which is why I kept it at the state level in my original post. Arguing in good faith though, I'll admit to mostly capitalizing on the rare opportunity, as a Chicagoan, to take a shot at NYC. I guess maybe we could lecture them on having enough beds/vents per populace as we've never come close to being overrun (knocks on wood).
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You don't need to change them after every interaction. Put 70% rubbing alcohol in a bottle and spray your gloves with them, then rub it in.
That seems reasonable, except you just touched the bottle with your tainted gloves.
We did go through a shitload of everclear spraying every damned thing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
That seems reasonable, except you just touched the bottle with your tainted gloves.
We did go through a shitload of everclear spraying every damned thing.
If you aren't touching the bottle afterwards, it doesn't really matter. Spray one hand, hold the bottle with a wet, gloved hand, and spray the other. Rub both hands together. IPA kills as it dries, which is why 70% is better than 90+ percent. More residence time = more time to kill.
70% IPA is remarkably effective, and with gloves you can use it over and over without it massacring your hands.
Any time I'm doing work in a laminar flow hood I have to spray my hands every time they either come within 6 inches of the edge of the hood, or for excursions. We use rubbing alcohol (albeit with sterile water, not that it really matters for the public, as you aren't going to be concerned with killing spores, as viruses don't form spores). [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
Agreed which is why I kept it at the state level in my original post. Arguing in good faith though, I'll admit to mostly capitalizing on the rare opportunity, as a Chicagoan, to take a shot at NYC. I guess maybe we could lecture them on having enough beds/vents per populace as we've never come close to being overrun (knocks on wood).
But yeah, AZ should heed their insights.
Yeah, I brought it to the city level only because I’m operating under the assumption that an overwhelming proportion of the casualties are contained within them. Admittedly, I’m pulling that out of thin air, but I would be surprised otherwise. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You don't need to change them after every interaction. Put 70% rubbing alcohol in a bottle and spray your gloves with them, then rub it in.
Or, as I saw at a Wal-Mart, stick your gloved hand in your mouth to pick your teeth. That will most certainly contain the spread.
Im willing to bet that <1% of people that wear those gloves out in public are doing anything to sanitize those gloves. I have also watched people after they have finished shopping load up all of their groceries, get in their car, and drive away. Im willing to bet they wore those gloves and went to another store contaminating everything.
I honestly believe a good amount of people wearing gloves think that gloves kill the virus. This goes for employees of stores that require them to wear gloves. Does anyone know if they have had any training or just told to wear gloves? I see store employees wearing gloves, touching money and never changing that pair of gloves. The local Casey's is fucking awful about that.
The improper use of gloves is probably allowing COVID19 to spread much faster than if people would just avoid the gloves all together and carry hand sanitizer. Using the hand sanitizer at least kills COVID.
Liberal use of sanitizer and washing your hands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gloves
Im not sure what the CDC or public health officials are saying in regards to wearing gloves, but they really need to come out against it (if they haven't already) or have a public broadcast to show people proper glove etiquette. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Or, as I saw at a Wal-Mart, stick your gloved hand in your mouth to pick your teeth. That will most certainly contain the spread.
Im willing to bet that <1% of people that wear those gloves out in public are doing anything to sanitize those gloves. I have also watched people after they have finished shopping load up all of their groceries, get in their car, and drive away. Im willing to bet they wore those gloves and went to another store contaminating everything.
I honestly believe a good amount of people wearing gloves think that gloves kill the virus. This goes for employees of stores that require them to wear gloves. Does anyone know if they have had any training or just told to wear gloves? I see store employees wearing gloves, touching money and never changing that pair of gloves. The local Casey's is ****ing awful about that.
The improper use of gloves is probably allowing COVID19 to spread much faster than if people would just avoid the gloves all together and carry hand sanitizer. Using the hand sanitizer at least kills COVID.
Liberal use of sanitizer and washing your hands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gloves
Im not sure what the CDC or public health officials are saying in regards to wearing gloves, but they really need to come out against it (if they haven't already) or have a public broadcast to show people proper glove etiquette.
I'd like to think that most people know how to do this, but...
Originally Posted by Donger:
I'd like to think that most people know how to do this, but...
When you're touching all your own stuff and everything else, because you think gloves are some miracle COVID killer, then it really doesnt matter how you remove your gloves because you've already contaminated everything. (I don't mean you specifically, Donger). [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
If you aren't touching the bottle afterwards, it doesn't really matter. Spray one hand, hold the bottle with a wet, gloved hand, and spray the other. Rub both hands together. IPA kills as it dries, which is why 70% is better than 90+ percent. More residence time = more time to kill.
70% IPA is remarkably effective, and with gloves you can use it over and over without it massacring your hands.
Any time I'm doing work in a laminar flow hood I have to spray my hands every time they either come within 6 inches of the edge of the hood, or for excursions. We use rubbing alcohol (albeit with sterile water, not that it really matters for the public, as you aren't going to be concerned with killing spores, as viruses don't form spores).
I guess I’m not following your timeline after the debit card purchase. Receive card (contact), run card, hand card back, grab spray bottle (secondary contact). Now the spray bottle has whatever the debit card had. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You don't need to change them after every interaction. Put 70% rubbing alcohol in a bottle and spray your gloves with them, then rub it in.
Is that back in stock in the stores like crapper paper? I haven't even looked to be honest. [Reply]