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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 09:11 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Has it though? We keep hearing there are more and more and exponentially more cases than we knew\know of yet the death tolls are what they are. We can't assume someone died, right? They died or didn't. So really is it worse than we think if exponentially more people have or had the virus but the death tolls have stayed where they are for the most part?

That seems to me that is not as deadly as we thought though it can still be deadly.
If we didn't know people had it then, some of the people that died then likely died from it as well without it being known. Works both ways.
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petegz28 09:11 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
A well fitting n95 is gonna keep you from getting or giving. If worn right.
As I understand it an N95 allows for exhalation to a point that is not as effective in that aspect. The respirator does not filter out the virus, correct?
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Bugeater 09:11 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by sedated:
I've seen almost 100% of people wearing masks at places like the grocery store and other retail places, but then drive by bars that are packed with people (not wearing masks, because they are drinking). Then check FB and see pics of groups of people standing side by side not wearing masks.

Even when 100% of people are wearing them, at least 10% aren't covering their nose, or are wearing types that are ineffective (gaiters, ones with vents, etc)
Bars are a likely contributor for sure. But these are largely small businesses...how long can we keep them shut down?

As far as the smaller gatherings you're referencing, people were cooped up and isolated all spring, at some point we are going to socialize again. It's human nature. And no one is going to wear a mask in their own home.

Again, we're at the limit of what the general public will reasonably accept. It's an inconvenient truth.
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O.city 09:13 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
As I understand it an N95 allows for exhalation to a point that is not as effective in that aspect. The respirator does not filter out the virus, correct?
All comes down to the fit IIRC. They're actually supposed to be sized and fitted to you. If thats the case, IIRC, yes they would work both from getting the virus or transmitting.

But it's been a while since i read the study. I don't know for sure.
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Donger 09:14 AM 08-13-2020
Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told lawmakers during his June 23 Congressional testimony.

“We can say very clearly that wearing a mask is definitely helpful in preventing acquisition as well as transmission,” he said.

“It is always better to have a mask on than to not have a mask on, both for acquisition and for transmission,” Fauci added.
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Discuss Thrower 09:16 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by TLO:
Early Spread of COVID-19 Appears Far Greater Than Initially Reported

Featured Wednesday, 12 August 2020 Esther R Robards-Forbes Statistics Integrative Biology

Patients with undiagnosed flu symptoms who actually had COVID-19 last winter were among thousands of undetected early cases of the disease at the beginning of this year. In a new paper in The Lancet's open-access journal EClinicalMedicine, epidemiological researchers from The University of Texas at Austin estimated COVID-19 to be far more widespread in Wuhan, China, and Seattle, Washington, weeks ahead of lockdown measures in each city.

In the U.S., about a third of the estimated undiagnosed cases were among children. The researchers also concluded that the first case of COVID-19 in Seattle may have arrived as far back as Christmas or New Year's Day.

Lauren Ancel Meyers, a professor of integrative biology and statistics and data sciences who leads the UT Austin COVID-19 Modeling Consortium, worked with her team of researchers to extrapolate the extent of the COVID-19 epidemic in Wuhan and Seattle based on retested throat swabs taken from patients who were suffering from influenza-like illnesses during January in Wuhan and during late February and early March in Seattle. When the samples were analyzed later in each city, most turned out to be flu, but some turned out to be positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

"Even before we realized that COVID-19 was spreading, the data imply that there was at least one case of COVID-19 for every two cases of flu," Meyers said. "Since we knew how widespread flu was at that time, we could reasonably determine the prevalence of COVID-19."

When the Chinese government locked down Wuhan on Jan. 22, there were 422 known cases. But, extrapolating the throat-swab data across the city using a new epidemiological model, Meyers and her team found that there could have been more than 12,000 undetected symptomatic cases of COVID-19. On March 9, the week when Seattle schools closed due to the virus, researchers estimate that more than 9,000 people with flu-like symptoms had COVID-19 and that about a third of that total were children. The data do not imply that health authorities were aware of these infections, rather that they may have gone unseen during the early and uncertain stages of the pandemic.

"Given that COVID-19 appears to be overwhelmingly mild in children, our high estimate for symptomatic pediatric cases in Seattle suggests that there may have been thousands more mild cases at the time," wrote Zhanwei Du, a postdoctoral researcher in Meyers' lab and first author on the study.

According to several other studies, about half of COVID-19 cases are asymptomatic, leading researchers to believe that there may have been thousands more infected people in Wuhan and Seattle before each city's respective lockdown measures went into effect.

"We can go back and piece together the history of this pandemic using a combination of investigative techniques and modeling," Meyers said. "This helps us understand how the pandemic spread so quickly around the globe and provides insight into what we may see in the coming weeks and months."

The new technique for estimating the amount of unseen COVID-19 based on the ratio of influenza cases to COVID-19 cases has also been used to determine how many children were actually infected in each city and the pace of the early pandemic in the U.S., Meyers said.

The finding in the new paper is consistent with work that Meyers and her team have done on the virus's early spread. Using travel data, she and her team estimated how far the virus had spread and concluded that there were as many as 12,000 cases of COVID-19 in Wuhan before the lockdown.

In addition to Meyers and Du, graduate students Emily Javan and Ciara Nugent at The University of Texas at Austin and professor Benjamin J. Cowling of the University of Hong Kong contributed to the research. The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health
Wastewater samples from March suggest Boston cases were massively unreported.
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O.city 09:16 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Bars are a likely contributor for sure. But these are largely small businesses...how long can we keep them shut down?

As far as the smaller gatherings you're referencing, people were cooped up and isolated all spring, at some point we are going to socialize again. It's human nature. And no one is going to wear a mask in their own home.

Again, we're at the limit of what the general public will reasonably accept. It's an inconvenient truth.
As i said the other day, this is where all the political capitol and communication comes into play.

You have a finite amount of rope with stuff like this. They blew their wad and here we are. When your messaging is inconsistent, people are gonna say fuck it. Right or wrong.
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Pasta Little Brioni 09:16 AM 08-13-2020
Well yeah this thing isn't lethal at all (in the grand scheme) unless you are severely immune compromised.
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O.city 09:17 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Wastewater samples from March suggest Boston cases were massively unreported.
The wastewater thing is pretty interesting to me. It would be a good way for future use of monitoring this kind of stuff before it gets wild.
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O.city 09:20 AM 08-13-2020
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tes-face-masks

Germany having issues again. Fuck this thing.
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lewdog 09:23 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...e-masks-2020-4



This article does not support your claims that they lied initially to protect the number of masks available and there is no proof to support that theory except you being told that by people who changed their story multiple time.

The WHO was not concerned about the US mask supply and apparently neither was the CDC in April when this article was published.

Bugeater is 100% correct.
It’s August and I’m still concerned about the mask supply. Rehabs and hospitals, even nurses on the COVID unit, are wearing N95 masks for an entire week. The supply still isn’t there and price gouging is still happening.
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lewdog 09:26 AM 08-13-2020
My coworker was 4 weeks in the hospital. He’s now in acute rehab. Still on oxygen but up and moving with a walker. He’s doing much better but permanent pulmonary damage is still very likely.

/only deaths matter though.
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stumppy 09:32 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by lewdog:
My coworker was 4 weeks in the hospital. He’s now in acute rehab. Still on oxygen but up and moving with a walker. He’s doing much better but permanent pulmonary damage is still very likely.

/only deaths matter though.
I take it he was severely immune compromised before he got CV. JK, hope he comes through alright.
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Donger 09:33 AM 08-13-2020
WHO raised the alarm on PPE shortages in early March. It sucks that it's still going on:

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...kers-worldwide
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dirk digler 09:40 AM 08-13-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Of course you don't, Dirk. Because the excuses always seem to lend themselves towards the narrative of "things are a lot worse than we think".
Nah

California reported more than 6k backlogged cases. The state has now committed to assigning those cases to the correct date. We'll adjust our values as soon as the state makes the correct date figures available. This will shift many positive cases reported today to earlier dates.

— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) August 12, 2020


Florida also had a major problem with a case backlog in Miami, which added 4,000 cases to the state's totals. https://t.co/drHk80BHve

— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) August 12, 2020

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