Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I understand everything in the US is political, Kneeling , the anthem , drug trials , watching basketball, masks , healthcare , racism , less filling vs tastes great etc but I wasn’t arguing about guns , I knew I should have gone with shark attacks but I was afraid that might have been to political. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
It had to potential to kill 10 Times that un mitigated , and I think influenza should be Taken more seriously to begin with There would be way less deaths if people got the flu shot.
So why do you think it was recommended to close things down if medical experts are fine with the flu as it is , is it possible they had actual real concerns about this , or they did it for shits and giggles.
Their recommendations were wrong. Twice. First wear masks, then they don’t help, and now wear them again.
They came out immediately and said “millions are gonna die”. To date it hasn’t come close to what they predicted.
Why would we trust them at all when they’ve been downright wrong the whole time? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
It probably has something to do with:
1) SARS-CoV-2 is a novel virus. Influenza isn't.
2) We have vaccines for seasonal influenza. We don't for this yet.
3) It's deadlier than influenza.
That's why we took mitigation efforts, and even with those efforts, we've lost 170,000 Americans to it so far.
It is most certainly not deadlier than influenza. Transmission rates count and this bug isn’t NEARLY as contagious as they wanted us to believe. Yes, based on mortality rates, it has a higher probability of killing someone infected. But so far it has infected about 1/10 of the number of people they predicted. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Their recommendations were wrong. Twice. First wear masks, then they don’t help, and now wear them again.
They came out immediately and said “millions are gonna die”. To date it hasn’t come close to what they predicted.
Why would we trust them at all when they’ve been downright wrong the whole time?
Masks: Do you have some expectation that new learnings wouldn't lead to new recommendations? Should we just go off of gut feel in the beginning and then never change because fuck it?
Predictions: You're taking a headline and acting like it was an expert opinion. If someone was saying "millions" it was under the scenario where we did nothing to try and mitigate the damage. The most prominent models in March and early April were showing between 100k-200k deaths , and that's been accurate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It is most certainly not deadlier than influenza. Transmission rates count and this bug isn’t NEARLY as contagious as they wanted us to believe. Yes, based on mortality rates, it has a higher probably of killing someone infected. But so far it has infected about 1/10 of the number of people they predicted.
Best estimate IFR for COVID-19 is .65% That is much deadlier than the worst flu season.
You say that it's not more deadly than influenza, then say that it is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It is most certainly not deadlier than influenza. Transmission rates count and this bug isn’t NEARLY as contagious as they wanted us to believe. Yes, based on mortality rates, it has a higher probably of killing someone infected. But so far it has infected about 1/10 of the number of people they predicted.
The annual flu deaths you see are based on estimations, and it is always significantly higher than the number of officially reported deaths. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It is most certainly not deadlier than influenza. Transmission rates count and this bug isn’t NEARLY as contagious as they wanted us to believe. Yes, based on mortality rates, it has a higher probability of killing someone infected. But so far it has infected about 1/10 of the number of people they predicted.
If you're gonna have to keep spouting this, you're gonna have to start providing sources. Please provide me with a reputable source that said we'd have a million deaths even if we locked down. [Reply]
