Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
40k people took the Pfizer vaccine and none had any severe issues. So based on the data we have, your chances of dying are higher without the vaccine than with, although the chances are obviously low in either situation.
But beyond that, I just don't know what it will take to convince people that we're all in this together. If you've enjoyed this year of mask requirements, shut downs, and limited capacity for everything, then avoiding the vaccine is in your best interest. However, if you'd like to actually be able to attend a Chiefs game next fall without wearing a mask and without having to have empty seats everywhere, high vaccination rates are necessary.
If I want to attend a Chiefs game next fall, I'll get vaccinated next fall.
I'm not saying I'm NOT going to get vaccinated at all. I'm just not going to rush out and do it right away. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Okay let's put it this way. Based on my age group I have about less than .2% chance of dieing from covid. What do you think my chances are for having an adverse reaction to a brand new vaccine where we don't know all the side effects? What would be the best bet when it comes to my personal health?
I would imagine that your odds of dying from the vaccines are much lower than the odds of you dying from COVID-19. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
There has been lawsuits recently about that vaccine and it's adverse effects. Here is an article I was reading the other day on the subject.
The first adverse effect they note from that vaccine is the onset of narcolepsy. They say of 30 million people vaccinated, 1300 came down with narcolepsy. It just so happens that normally, without any vaccine, in the general population, 1 in 2000 people are affected by narcolepsy. That would be 15000 people out of 30 million. So did the vaccine prevent narcolepsy? LOL [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If I want to attend a Chiefs game next fall, I'll get vaccinated next fall.
I'm not saying I'm NOT going to get vaccinated at all. I'm just not going to rush out and do it right away.
If vaccination rates are low, they're probably going to have to require proof of vaccination to attend (which everyone is also weirded out by), or they're going to have to stick with distancing and masks.
And I don't blame people for not wanting to rush out. Realistically, the first few months don't matter much anyway because there won't be enough vaccines to go around. I'm just saying that, 6 months from now, it's time to get this damn thing over with. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
If I want to attend a Chiefs game next fall, I'll get vaccinated next fall.
I'm not saying I'm NOT going to get vaccinated at all. I'm just not going to rush out and do it right away.
I think it's reasonable to wait awhile to see how it all shakes out. Some of these trials have been going on for 6 months and no major issues have really happened yet except the one that happened in the UK yesterday. But that sounds like that is SOP for people allergic to vaccines. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tooge:
The first adverse effect they note from that vaccine is the onset of narcolepsy. They say of 30 million people vaccinated, 1300 came down with narcolepsy. It just so happens that normally, without any vaccine, in the general population, 1 in 2000 people are affected by narcolepsy. That would be 15000 people out of 30 million. So did the vaccine prevent narcolepsy? LOL
Lol. Just a guess but narcolepsy normally develops during childhood. I am guessing these were adults that suddenly developed it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Hindsight I bet those people with complications wish they would have waited for the second safer vaccine.
not sure that first vaccine was approved everywhere, so the people who approved it are just as responsible if not more to blame.
and when you get a vaccine you are doing it not just for yourself but the people around you who might be at higher risk than you, it makes the vaccine more effective if more people get it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Indian Chief:
I saw the J&J vaccine mentioned. The last I saw, and this was a couple of weeks ago, they didn't have a lot of luck with a single dose vaccine and were moving to test a two dose vaccine.
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Pennsylvania Real-Time News UPMC won’t require employees to get COVID-19 vaccine
UPMC requires its health care employees to receive the flu vaccine. But it won’t make them get the COVID-19 vaccine, which UPMC expects to begin offering to employees as soon as this month.
One reason is general uncertainty about the COVID-19 vaccine -- the first of several in the pipeline could receive emergency approval from the U.S. government this month, possibly within days.
Dr. Graham Snyder, UPMC’s medical director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiology, said UPMC’s mandatory flu vaccination policy “is based on decades of experience with the influenza vaccine.”
But there’s no comparable data for a COVID-19 vaccine, or on whether a mandate is the best way to get large numbers of people to become vaccinated, Snyder said on Tuesday.
