We do know exactly who was involved in the Buffalo trade - that's all been pretty well laid out there.

If you're willing to accept "Veach was the guy who sold everyone on Mahomes" as an article of faith, there's every bit as much evidence that Dorsey was the guy who did the fisting on Doug Whaley.

That's pretty much public record if you're willing to look. You can't say one was true and the other is speculation; the evidence for both positions is about equal.
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DJ's right, sorry.

This place LOVED Dorsey...until he was fired. Then all of a sudden he couldn't draft defense and sucked at contracts.
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You don't think John Dorsey did a great job turning a 3-win football team with holes up and down its roster into an immediate playoff time that averaged double-digit wins/season in his tenure?

I mean...wha?
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I always thought Dorsey was a lot better at identifying offensive talent and pretty meh at defense.

Still do. My feelings haven't wavered on John Dorsey.
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Andy Reid had a TON to do with that.
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Right. Takes a special coach to take that 2012 stench of the Chiefs and immediately turn it into a playoff team.

And to be honest with you, a stable, smart QB like Alex Smith didn’t hurt either.
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You went just a bit over the top with that Ryan Grigson comment last night :-)
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Are you sure Andy didn’t play a big part in that?
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And a GM that was able to identify guys like Travis Kelce in the 3rd round.

Or a Tyreek Hill.

Hell, people hated the Fisher pick and still do, but look at that round. He's the fucking best player taken today.

Surely, they all did their job.
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Dee Ford could have been great. He still might be. But if a fan person takes a moment to be completely rational and realistic about him ... well, you have to admit there were issues.

Objectively, he was hurt a lot. Missed a lot of games. Spent a lot of time on PUP or IR. Then, he suddenly comes out and plays like he "could" have and "should" have during his contract year. You don't have to be a cynic to think objectively about that remarkable change in performance.

I wish Dee Ford well. He's a physically gifted athlete with an engaging personality. That's all really good and good for him. He'll love it in SF.

Still, I have a suspicion that, if Spags wanted him, he'd still be with the Chiefs.

FAX
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I was phone posting from a pickup and didn't have a good way to use several words to relay the fact that I think we're spinning our wheels while our best seasons of Mahomes tick down.

My point is that Grigson was a horseshit GM that got a single pick right...and then proceeded to do very little around that pick to take full advantage of it. Now we are admittedly early on in the Veach era (who, for the record, wasn't even the guy who MADE said pick), but Imma need to see a LOT more than I've seen from him thus far.

Again, just throwing stupid money at Watkins and Matthieu doesn't impress me. Spending more than the other guy is willing to spend ain't that tough.

Go rehab Hitchens and make his contract an asset. Go get Fuller signed below market like Dorsey was able to do with Kelce (what a goddamn steal that's been). Go sign a Mitchell Schwartz at a !@#$ing HEIST of a contract.

Go do half of what Dorsey did before you. Because right now I see a guy that's willing to spend on credit and take sub-optimal trades to get rid of his most talented defenders.

He's not been very impressive at all and the only difference between what he's done and what Grigson did was time. He's two steps down the path to Grigsonville and he'd better find a different one to walk in a hurry.
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That's completely wrong. He's always flashed the ability. The only difference between last season and season's prior is that he stayed healthy.

Otherwise, he was the same damn player he's always been.

Only the CP hive mind that thinks everyone sucks thought otherwise.
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So we traded our 2014 first round pick for a 2020 second?
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Soooo trruuueee!!

I was always a fan. A big fan actually. I've always thought of Dorsey as a top GM.
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And they still bitch about the Fisher contract, which is just completely nuts. Meanwhile we're still reaping dividends from the Schwartz and Kelce contracts. See anything like that that Veach has managed or is likely to manage in the future?
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