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Nzoner's Game Room>Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB
dlphg9 02:09 AM 10-27-2020
Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 fucking games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun fucking sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B fucked the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg
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ModSocks 02:14 PM 10-27-2020
He's a good QB on a bad team with worse coaching.

Romeo Fucking Crennel, guys, c'mon.
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Deberg_1990 02:17 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
He's a good QB on a bad team with worse coaching.

Romeo ****ing Crennel, guys, c'mon.
but Crennel gets credit for developing Derek Anderson
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ModSocks 02:18 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I'd remove Wentz from that list, but I'd put more names on it. Guys I'd take for sure right now over

Mahomes
Wilson
Rogers
Brees
L Jackson
Stafford
Tannehill
Brady
Roethlisberg
Kyler Murray
Josh Allen
Jared Goff
Derek Carr

I would consider taking these guys over him

Burrow
Herbert

I know it's not a perfect way to judge a QBs performance, but looking at QBR Watson has been a roller coaster and peaked his rookie season with an 83.6 during 6 starts that year and hasn't come close to that number again.

2017 - 83.6
2018 - 60.7
2019 - 71.2
2020 - 71.1

His rookie year if he had continued that pace and become a qualifier he would have been far above everyone as the highest rated QB that year. Since then he has been ranked

'18 - 15th
'19 - 7th
'20 - 15th

I'm not saying that he has been terrible, but God damn eventually you gotta place a little blame on the player.

Brees - He's better than Brees right now, no doubt.
Stafford -Has never won anything, aging.
Tannehill - He's better than Tannehill. Tannehill has a far superior team and coaching staff.
Brady - GMAFB. Give Watson those weapons and see what happens. Brady is still an immobile douche who's about to retire.
Roethlisberg - The guy who just threw 3 INTS and who's passing game is mostly a bunch of screen and short throws?
Jared Goff -Another GMAFB...
Derek Carr - :-)

Burrow - Still has a lot to prove
Herbert - Still has a lot to prove
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htismaqe 02:43 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Tannehill - He's better than Tannehill. Tannehill has a far superior team and coaching staff.
No. Just no.
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St. Patty's Fire 02:54 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
No. Just no.
Ya I can't agree with that in any way.

Foles got hot a few times. Tannehill has been consistently very good since going to Tennessee. Getting away from Adam Gase probably helped. He also flashed plenty of potential under Gase, but he had issues staying healthy.

Foles is just Fitzpatrick with a ring.

edit: thought I was in the Foles thread lmao
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Buehler445 03:25 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Trading Hopkins didn't screw Watson, it EXPOSED him.

Watson was used to throwing low probability passes and watching Hopkins' exceptional catch radius bail him out.

Watson isn't great and all BOB did was show people that.
Exactly. Watsons always been a fuck it chuck it guy. All the way back to college.

Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I've been saying for fucking years Hopkins catches an awful lot of fuck it chuck it balls Watson wings in his general direction.

Hopkins is really REALLY fucking good at 50/50 balls.

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ModSocks 03:29 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
No. Just no.
What part is no?

You don't think Watson could replicate and even do better than Tannehill if they swapped teams?
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ModSocks 03:29 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire:
Ya I can't agree with that in any way.

Foles got hot a few times. Tannehill has been consistently very good since going to Tennessee. Getting away from Adam Gase probably helped. He also flashed plenty of potential under Gase, but he had issues staying healthy.

Foles is just Fitzpatrick with a ring.
We talkin' Foles or Watson?
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St. Patty's Fire 03:31 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
We talkin' Foles or Watson?
i thought i was in the foles/nagy thread when i posted that lmao

Watson is a totally different story. I think he's a bit overrated but if he were on the Titans I think he'd be pretty beast
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htismaqe 03:31 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
What part is no?

You don't think Watson could replicate and even do better than Tannehill if they swapped teams?
Nope, I don't.
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Deberg_1990 03:34 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Nope, I don't.
You dont think Andy Reid could coach Watson up?
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htismaqe 03:38 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990:
You dont think Andy Reid could coach Watson up?
I don't think Watson could handle the offense. He's not a precision QB, he's a spray and pray QB most of the time.
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Deberg_1990 03:39 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
He's not a precision QB, he's a spray and pray QB most of the time.
Yea, guys like that are going to look spectacular at times, then horrible at others.
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Megatron96 03:42 PM 10-27-2020
At least this year, Wentz has proven that he's better than Watson. Wentz has found a way to be productive with a cast of practice squad players, at pretty much every skill position. Watson still has some legit starters, albeit not a WR1 or a RB1, but has pretty much regressed so far.
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htismaqe 03:48 PM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
At least this year, Wentz has proven that he's better than Watson. Wentz has found a way to be productive with a cast of practice squad players, at pretty much every skill position. Watson still has some legit starters, albeit not a WR1 or a RB1, but has pretty much regressed so far.
Because outside of his injury problems, Wentz is still a smart, accurate QB for the most part.

Watson absolutely had Hopkins as a safety blanket. Just chuck it up there and let Hopkins take care of it. Without that, Watson becomes very ordinary. He needs a DK Metcalf guy out there.
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