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Nzoner's Game Room>Collinsworth with high praise for Eric Bieniemy
RealSNR 05:01 PM 10-26-2020
Yes, I'm starting a new thread. Fuck bumping old threads. You're not in charge of CP's thread starting budget, so :-).

From Peter King's article this week:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ia-peter-king/

Originally Posted by :
FMIA: You’re running a team, and your owner says, “Pick the coach who’s going to turn us around.” Who is it?

Collinsworth: [Kansas City offensive coordinator] Eric Bieniemy. I would’ve done it last year. All these owners and GMs, they call you. Because we meet everybody. Bieniemy’s a dynamic personality, obviously he’s been in the room with Andy Reid, with the most creative of offenses. Is he the play caller? No, but it’s about play design. It’s about play creation. It’s about knowing the type of athlete you need to put together those kinds of creative offenses. And he’s a great guy.

FMIA: What’s the hang up been with Bieniemy? Why doesn’t he have a job yet?

Collinsworth: I’m gonna give the league the benefit of the doubt. I’m sure there are other people that say that the Rooney Rule is not effective enough and that’s the reason he didn’t get a job. [Bieniemy is Black.] I can’t explain it because in my mind, I know him. I’ve had a ton of conversations with him. I know his character. He’s like [Tennessee coach] Mike Vrabel. He’s one of those in-your-face kind of guys. I was stunned. I told Al [Michaels] before our opening broadcast in Kansas City, ‘I’m gonna go after [teams that didn’t hire him] because that is wrong that the guy didn’t get a job.’

But anyway, then, to me, I’m taking [Clemson QB] Trevor Lawrence with the first pick. I watched that kid play the other day. Talking about it with Richard Sherman, and he was saying, ‘You know, you got Sam Darnold, he’s been a top 5 pick. You could trade away the number one pick and you could set up your franchise for the rest of your life.’ I’m like, no way. In New York City? If they pass up the number one pick? If they don’t draft Trevor Lawrence, for the next six months, there is only one headline on the back pages of every one of those newspapers that you blew it, and that was the chance of a lifetime and you didn’t take it.

FMIA: So you’re Joe Douglas, GM of the Jets, and it sounds like you pick Bieniemy, no question?

Collinsworth: Yes sir, and I’m re-creating Kansas City. Everything. Trevor Lawrence is the same kind of player that Patrick Mahomes is. He can move. He’s creative. He’s been good for a long, consistent period of time. And then I’m going out and I’m finding all the Kelces and Edwards-Helaires I can find. I’m just re-doing Kansas City.
Not sure I'd take that gig if I were Bieniemy, but still. Not bad praise, eh?
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tatorhog 09:59 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
This is what Miami got with a ton of cash this Spring:

Byron Jones
Kyle Van Noy
Emmanuel Ogbah
Jordan Howard
Shaq Lawson
Elandon Roberts

Jets have a few good players already: Bectin, Q Williams, J Jenkins, McGovern, Maye...and some decent draft picks worth investing like Mims.

Give EB a haul like that plus Lawrence and 2 other early draft picks? EB would be challenging for the division year 1.
Sounds like the Jets are considering offers on some of those guys. One report I read said that Q is available for less than a 1st rounder.

That doesn't sound like a team/dumpster fire any promising HC candidate would want to walk into blindly. Even with the chance to draft Lawrence, it just doesn't seem like a good place to go.
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Bowser 10:27 AM 10-27-2020
[Bieniemy is black]


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htismaqe 10:38 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
If Lawrence is too risky then why even leave ro coach any team unless it’s got a HOF QB?
EXACTLY the question EB should be asking himself.
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htismaqe 10:39 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Which is where I am unsure about how he will do as an NFL coach. I also think he can be a bit of a hardass which is fine as an OC for Reid, but wonder how players will feel a few years when the team is struggling. But as a college coach he'll crush it with recruits and being a hardass suits that game well.
Exactly.
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RunKC 10:42 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
EXACTLY the question EB should be asking himself.
Bc there’s only 32 coaches in the league and you take your shot when it’s open.
If he doesn’t make it he’ll be an OC again. His reputation is too good, especially with someone like Andy Reid vouching for him.
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Bill Brasky 10:44 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
Houston might actually work. That's a fairly talented roster that's been castrated by coaching.
If I'm EB, I'd chose Houston. It's going to take a couple more years sing BoB depleted their draft capital, but that's ok if you structure your deal with that understanding.
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htismaqe 10:44 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Bc there’s only 32 coaches in the league and you take your shot when it’s open.
If he doesn’t make it he’ll be an OC again. His reputation is too good, especially with someone like Andy Reid vouching for him.
Everybody take their shot when it's open. That's why 80% of them fail.

If EB were smart, he'd be a bit more patient. He's only 51. There's no reason to run off to New York or Detroit when something else might come open next year.
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Deberg_1990 10:46 AM 10-27-2020
Jets is an extremely tough job. They have had very little sustained success since the Joe Namath era. thats crazy.
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RunKC 10:52 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Everybody take their shot when it's open. That's why 80% of them fail.

If EB were smart, he'd be a bit more patient. He's only 51. There's no reason to run off to New York or Detroit when something else might come open next year.
I agree he shouldn’t take a bad situation but the odds of an opening with a very good QB is pretty much non-existent bc teams with good QB’s don’t do poorly very often. It’s pretty rare to have an opening like that.

Trevor Lawrence is worth that risk. If he agrees to go to NY with Bieniemy I don’t see how EB can’t take that job. There’s only 3-5 QB’s considered elite in this league and turning down a job with your best option of having one on your team seems foolish.
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htismaqe 10:54 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I agree he shouldn’t take a bad situation but the odds of an opening with a very good QB is pretty much non-existent bc teams with good QB’s don’t do poorly very often. It’s pretty rare to have an opening like that.

Trevor Lawrence is worth that risk. If he agrees to go to NY with Bieniemy I don’t see how EB can’t take that job. There’s only 3-5 QB’s considered elite in this league and turning down a job with your best option of having one on your team seems foolish.
If I were either one of them, I'd blacklist the Jets. If Lawrence is serious about his career, pull an Eli Elway.
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FAX 11:16 AM 10-27-2020
I don't know what to think about this ...

For the next decade.

FAX
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DaneMcCloud 11:25 AM 10-27-2020
I've said this before but I'll say it again:

None of us know if EB will become a good Head Coach, a great Head Coach or a just another in a long line of overmatched bad Head Coaches.

But, when everyone in the media begins pushing a guy as a head coaching candidate, it rarely, if ever, turns out well.
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htismaqe 11:37 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I've said this before but I'll say it again:

None of us know if EB will become a good Head Coach, a great Head Coach or a just another in a long line of overmatched bad Head Coaches.

But, when everyone in the media begins pushing a guy as a head coaching candidate, it rarely, if ever, turns out well.
:-)

The hot, hyped names almost always fall short and not always because they're bad but because they've been built up to be far better than they actually are.
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DaneMcCloud 11:51 AM 10-27-2020
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
:-)

The hot, hyped names almost always fall short and not always because they're bad but because they've been built up to be far better than they actually are.
Man, if I was EB, I'd avoid the Jets job like the plague. He's never worked with the GM before, the ownership is in flux with Woody Johnson's tenure as an ambassador coming to an end this year, along with an extremely impatient fan base, in the world's largest media market.

Whichever team hires him will have a fan base that expects immediate improvement, whether that's even remotely realistic or not. He's not going to be given a year or two, like Kliff Kingsbury in Arizona, who came into the league with question marks about his defenses or a guy like Matt Rhule, whose team is in a transition period due to their aging roster.

No, he'll be expected to turn things around immediately, like Green Bay head coach Mike LaFleur.

And if he pulls a Mike McCarthy and falters, EB might not make it a year in New York.
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WarChiefs89 12:26 PM 10-27-2020
Jobs that are/could be available...
Already Fired: HOU, ATL
Will be gone soon: NYJ, JAX
Could/should be fired: DET, LAC, MIN

Out of all of those there is 1 that seems way more attractive than the rest. Los Angeles Chargers. Other than being in the AFC West most everything else is going for them... they have a young QB in place, defensive core that is talented but often injured, decent amount of cap space, new stadium.

I don't understand the HOU love. Cap hell + no picks. JAX or NYJ are only intriguing assuming they get Lawrence but those are historically badly run franchises. Minny, Detroit and Atlanta are mediocre. I think Min would be my next choice with the ability to move on from Cousins with your top-5 pick coming
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