Originally Posted by okcchief:
There was a blatant cheap shot against Barea last year that he was suspended for. I'm sure there are others but it's not like I have paid much attention to Artest.
The Palace was probably the worst in the history of professional sports. He was suspended a year from that one and any offense after should be looked at like a prisoner on probation.
This has been mentioned on pretty much every news show and entertainment show I've seen since. It makes the NBA look bad and I would expect them to bring down the hammer since it was in the spotlight and who it is. I really don't either way but that's what I expect.
Was it Artest that fouled Barea? Two people got ejected from that game; Oden and Bynum. Bynum for the destruction of Barea and Odom for the shove on Dirk before Bynum. Maybe I am mistaken, wouldn't surprise me if Artest was in on it as well.
Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan:
Was it Artest that fouled Barea? Two people got ejected from that game; Oden and Bynum. Bynum for the destruction of Barea and Odom for the shove on Dirk before Bynum. Maybe I am mistaken, wouldn't surprise me if Artest was in on it as well.
Artest clotheslined Barea but I think it might have been the end of game 3.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Too many games for Artest. But I suppose he had to pander to those that were losing their minds over this.
The guy makes millions of dollars playing basketball and still can't control himself. He'll be broke 2 years after he's out of the league, but at least you'll buy his book.
Originally Posted by okcchief:
The guy makes millions of dollars playing basketball and still can't control himself. He'll be broke 2 years after he's out of the league, but at least you'll buy his book.
I'm still trying to understand what the real difference is between this play and semi-regular plays where guys clear out on rebounds in frustration to the pressure around them and hit heads with flailing, reckless elbows. Other than the force of this hit and Artest's name, there isn't much. Both involve players getting caught up in the moment and emotion of the situation (without regard for the consequences and certainly without the intent to injure), but only one garners a seven game suspension.
Stomping somebody's face intentionally, though, that will get you only two.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I'm still trying to understand what the real difference is between this play and semi-regular plays where guys clear out on rebounds in frustration to the pressure around them and hit heads with flailing, reckless elbows. Other than the force of this hit and Artest's name, there isn't much. Both involve players getting caught up in the moment and emotion of the situation (without regard for the consequences and certainly without the intent to injure), but only one garners a seven game suspension.
Stomping somebody's face intentionally, though, that will get you only two.
A rational one, anyway.
Players don't flail their elbows because they want to hurt somebody or because they want to elbow somebody in the head. They do it because they want to clear out and get a little frustrated. Clearing out is a basketball move. That's night and day from a guy that takes an intentional cheap shot clear to the head.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I'm still trying to understand what the real difference is between this play and semi-regular plays where guys clear out on rebounds in frustration to the pressure around them and hit heads with flailing, reckless elbows. Other than the force of this hit and Artest's name, there isn't much. Both involve players getting caught up in the moment and emotion of the situation (without regard for the consequences and certainly without the intent to injure), but only one garners a seven game suspension.
Stomping somebody's face intentionally, though, that will get you only two.
A rational one, anyway.
It's the exact reasons I told you. Previous history, National Spotlight, attention it received, and Stern doesn't like Artest.
The guy was suspended for a year for violence. He should know to control himself but he's not capable. If you give him 2 games he's gonna do it again for sure. I'm not so sure what's not fair in your eyes. People are treated differently based on previous history. That's just life.
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
I'm still trying to understand what the real difference is between this play and semi-regular plays where guys clear out on rebounds in frustration to the pressure around them and hit heads with flailing, reckless elbows. Other than the force of this hit and Artest's name, there isn't much. Both involve players getting caught up in the moment and emotion of the situation (without regard for the consequences and certainly without the intent to injure), but only one garners a seven game suspension.
Stomping somebody's face intentionally, though, that will get you only two.
A rational one, anyway.
This was not a basketball play. I figured you might understand that significant of a difference. This would be akin to him punching someone in the head, only the elbow arguably delivered a harder blow.