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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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dirk digler 09:53 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
NY's first report is 594 new deaths
Seems like we have a glimmer of positive news.

Originally Posted by :
The number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping “for the first time," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today during a press conference.

The significance of that is “too early to tell” he added.

Cuomo added that ICU admissions are also down, daily intubations are down “slightly” and the hospital discharge rate is “way up” and that’s “great news.”

He said there is a "shift to Long Island" adding "upstate New York is basically flat… as Long Island grows the percentage of cases in NYC has reduced."

The total number of intubations are down across the state, Cuomo said.

As of April 4, there were about 316 people intubated in the hospital, that number is down from 351 reported the day before.

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Chief Roundup 09:58 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by RedRaider56:
But how many are really due to CV-19?

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/c...h6Dpa1NXMMkqEE
Probably no more than those that are not getting counted and should be counted.
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BigCatDaddy 10:01 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Probably no more than those that are not getting counted and should be counted.
Link?
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petegz28 10:07 AM 04-05-2020
I don't understand news reporters green screening themselves as if they are reporting from the streets of NYC? It's more than obvious it is a green screen. I even saw one the other day where the reporter had on a rain coat to try and look like they were outside.
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Chief Roundup 10:11 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Link?
Anyone with common sense knows that there will be people that want to "fudge" those numbers either way. It is just the way it is, unfortunately. Someone will use whatever they can to push an agenda, truth be damned.
But here is a couple of the top doctors talking about what to put on the death certificate.


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O.city 10:12 AM 04-05-2020
So none of the models that were put forth have been correct yet. So that’s good in terms of non deaths

But what is the exit strategy here?
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Chiefshrink 10:15 AM 04-05-2020
And will these death stats be separated from other serious conditions prior to C19 vs C19 deaths with no prior health conditions ?

Politics will be at play for sure at all times with these stats coming out. :-)
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RINGLEADER 10:16 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Seems like we have a glimmer of positive news.
Two parts to the good news though we really need to see a trend develop (but for now, let’s take it):

Overall cases are down to 7,256. This is huge if it continues.

The deaths are a lagging indicator but the fact they are down and more people are coming off ventilators than going on could show that the drug therapies are having an effect. Let’s hope so...
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Marcellus 10:17 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:


So thats good.
If this is accurate its not just good news its fantastic news.
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Marcellus 10:17 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
So none of the models that were put forth have been correct yet. So that’s good in terms of non deaths

But what is the exit strategy here?
The 2 $Trillion question.
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petegz28 10:21 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
The 2 $Trillion question.
That's my worry as well. I am afraid we are falling into the paralysis by analysis hole. We are going to be too scared to clear anything because even if the data is saying good things people are going to be worrying about the other shoe to drop, so to speak.

There are going to be people who want to further things for reasons other than health concerns.

There are going to be people who want to rush things for other than health concerns.

There are people who are going to say health concerns are so bad we need to stay shut down.

There are people who are going to say health concerns have improved enough to start getting back to normal.
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O.city 10:21 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
If this is accurate its not just good news its fantastic news.
If only I spoke Italian I could read the original stuff.
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Donger 10:22 AM 04-05-2020
They mentioned that they are working on an end plan in one of the daily briefings.
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petegz28 10:23 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
If only I spoke Italian I could read the original stuff.
google translate
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O.city 10:23 AM 04-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That's my worry as well. I am afraid we are falling into the paralysis by analysis hole. We are going to be too scared to clear anything because even if the data is saying good things people are going to be worrying about the other shoe to drop, so to speak.

There are going to be people who want to further things for reasons other than health concerns.

There are going to be people who want to rush things for other than health concerns.

There are people who are going to say health concerns are so bad we need to stay shut down.

There are people who are going to say health concerns have improved enough to start getting back to normal.
If the initial models are wrong (it’s not that they were really wrong they didn’t have the correct parameters it seems) you’ve gotta make decisions on current data

We can’t stay locked up forever
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