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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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petegz28 09:07 AM 12-30-2020
Or let's put it this way, only 50% or so of people get the flu shot. WTF do we think we are going to get 90% of people vaccinated at all with the Covid vaccine let alone in a year or less?
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dirk digler 09:19 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think that makes an assumption that the only way to get HI is to vaccinate and nothing else. I think that's inaccurate.
The current recommendation is even if you had covid like yourself you still need to get vaccinated.

But anyway that link I posted you can use the slider to see how long it will take. If you drop HI down to 70% doing 25 million vaccines a week it will still take 20 weeks approximately.

Which means we better get on it.
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Donger 09:24 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
The current recommendation is even if you had covid like yourself you still need to get vaccinated.

But anyway that link I posted you can use the slider to see how long it will take. If you drop HI down to 70% doing 25 million vaccines a week it will still take 20 weeks approximately.

Which means we better get on it.
People who have had it should be last on the list. And, if we've really had 10 x the number of confirmed cases, that's 6% of the country.
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MahomesMagic 09:26 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think we need to have the immediate focus on how soon we start seeing an impact from the vaccine and keep HI in the background.

Get the death #'s to start coming down and I think the entire psychology of this changes significantly.

So by that I mean get the old people and high risk people vaccinated and the death numbers will start to come down in a hurry. I think that will change a lot of things before we get to HI because the stigma of death will have largely been removed.
Maybe that's not the goal here.
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Donger 09:29 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Maybe that's not the goal here.


What is the goal then?
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louie aguiar 09:33 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
People who have had it should be last on the list. And, if we've really had 10 x the number of confirmed cases, that's 6% of the country.
There's been around 20M confirmed cases, if it's 10x, the number with immunity would be 200M which is nearly 2/3 of the country. I think 10x might be on the high side - I've seen estimates from 3x to over 20x. Even if it is 3x though that's still nearly 20% of the country that could have some immunity which is a great start in reaching HI.
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Donger 09:36 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by louie aguiar:
There's been around 20M confirmed cases, if it's 10x, the number with immunity would be 200M which is nearly 2/3 of the country. I think 10x might be on the high side - I've seen estimates from 3x to over 20x. Even if it is 3x though that's still nearly 20% of the country that could have some immunity which is a great start in reaching HI.
Yes, that's why I said confirmed, not presumed.
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MahomesMagic 09:40 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:


What is the goal then?
Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.

Wowowow this is unbelievable - the politics of trying to shove vaccines onto everyone superseded the reality that nursing home residents are FAR more at risk than almost everyone else. And she admits it! pic.twitter.com/Hi0ehyb1HB

— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) December 29, 2020

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kgrund 09:41 AM 12-30-2020
The tricky part is that the "confirmed" cases is not even necessarily a really solid number given the known issues with the PCR test.
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Donger 09:43 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by kgrund:
The tricky part is that the "confirmed" cases is not even necessarily a really solid number given the known issues with the PCR test.
Have not all cases confirmed via PCR been infected with SARS-CoV-2, despite the "issues" with said test?
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Donger 09:44 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.
Political post. Reported.
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Discuss Thrower 09:46 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Maybe there is something else. Maybe it's just large scale incompetence. But we can see that reducing death has not been the top priority in this vaccine rollout.

"We can't give nursing home residents the vaccine because it might make them kick the bucket."
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RunKC 09:47 AM 12-30-2020
I don’t really care whose fault it is. The fact remains that it’s an embarrassment that we have so many doses ready and very few have been shot in arms.

We’ve literally had months and months to figure this shit out and this is what happens.

Jesus
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MahomesMagic 09:49 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Political post. Reported.
It's not a political post retard. Having a person responsible for rolling out the vaccines say they voted against giving it to nursing home residents first because they preferred vaccine safety perception management to reducing death is NEWSWORTHY and worth discussing.

As for politics, I can tell you are very into it. I am not. Could care less and don't vote. So of course, again, you have no idea what you are talking about but would like to censor any idea, thought or action that doesn't fit into propaganda YOUR small mind would find acceptable.
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Donger 09:49 AM 12-30-2020
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I don’t really care whose fault it is. The fact remains that it’s an embarrassment that we have so many doses ready and very few have been shot in arms.

We’ve literally had months and months to figure this shit out and this is what happens.

Jesus
The CDC vaccine tracker is updated on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Hopefully, we'll see a big uptick today.
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