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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Donger 01:51 PM 06-20-2020
PHOENIX (AP) - Arizona's total of COVID-19 cases neared 50,000 on Saturday as the state’s surge in additional cases continued to set daily records for hospitalizations, ventilator use and use of intensive care beds for coronavirus patients.

The state Department of Health Services another 3,109 additional, increasing the statewide total to 49,798 along with 1,338 deaths, including 26 reported on Saturday.

The number of in-patient hospitalizations for COVID-19 as of Friday reached 1,938, with 368 COVID-19 patients on ventilators and 546 in ICU beds, the department reported. Friday’s count of 1,164 emergency room visits for COVID-19 also set a record.

Earlier in the week, Arizona set daily new-case records with 3,246 on Friday, 2,519 cases on Thursday and 2,392 on Tuesday.
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Bugeater 01:58 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Is that the number of deaths that piques your interest/concern for some reason?
Well if millions died it would probably mean less traffic which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Also less demand for gas which will help keep prices low. (I learned that last thing from you)
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Bob Dole 02:01 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Is that the number of deaths that piques your interest/concern for some reason?
Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.
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Donger 02:08 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.
The million death estimate was without mitigation efforts. The estimate with mitigation efforts was 100,000 to 240,000.

Which one would you have preferred?

I've watched influenza season for years. Even have it bookmarked:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap

A really bad flu season is 60,000 dead. You know, half of this so far.
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Donger 02:08 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Well if millions died it would probably mean less traffic which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Also less demand for gas which will help keep prices low. (I learned that last thing from you)
Have you noticed it going back up? You're welcome. Don't make me angry.
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Bugeater 02:15 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Have you noticed it going back up? You're welcome. Don't make me angry.
I cordially invite you to engage in intercourse with yourself, Mr Donger.
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Kiimo 02:18 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.

It's June and some morons are still bringing up the flu
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Donger 02:19 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
I cordially invite you to engage in intercourse with yourself, Mr Donger.
:-)
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Bob Dole 02:25 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
The million death estimate was without mitigation efforts. The estimate with mitigation efforts was 100,000 to 240,000.

Which one would you have preferred?

I've watched influenza season for years. Even have it bookmarked:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap

A really bad flu season is 60,000 dead. You know, half of this so far.
And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.
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stumppy 02:29 PM 06-20-2020
:-)
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Donger 02:32 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.
Ridiculous estimate that's thankfully on the low side of 100,000 to 240,000 dead? Seems it was pretty darn accurate after all.

Yes, most years when it's mild, not much is mentioned about it. Because it's not as deadly as COVID-19.

Well, you can't have deaths without cases, so it's not stupid at all, actually. Positive tests show how active the virus is in the community, so I fail to see you wouldn't give a shit about that, either.
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Bob Dole 02:40 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Ridiculous estimate that's thankfully on the low side of 100,000 to 240,000 dead? Seems it was pretty darn accurate after all.

Yes, most years when it's mild, not much is mentioned about it. Because it's not as deadly as COVID-19.

Well, you can't have deaths without cases, so it's not stupid at all, actually. Positive tests show how active the virus is in the community, so I fail to see you wouldn't give a shit about that, either.
Typical Donger shit. Try to focus.

The ridiculous estimate is MILLIONS DEAD without mitigation. You know, the denominator used when touting how successful mitigation efforts were.

It's stupid because it is completely dependent on the number of tests given. Wonder why they seldom report the daily number of test when they report the daily number of positive tests?
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petegz28 02:41 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.
This is the goalpost that moves. One day it's deaths, the next is cases. We wanted increased testing. We knew increased testing would result in increased cases. We increased testing. We are getting increased cases. So far we are not seeing increased deaths.

I agree that ultimately in comes down to not cases but deaths and any damage caused from the cases. Most are walking away fine. Some are walking away with lasting damage. Some aren't walking away.
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Donger 02:43 PM 06-20-2020
Originally Posted by Bob Dole:
Typical Donger shit. Try to focus.

The ridiculous estimate is MILLIONS DEAD without mitigation. You know, the denominator used when touting how successful mitigation efforts were.

It's stupid because it is completely dependent on the number of tests given. Wonder why they seldom report the daily number of test when they report the daily number of positive tests?
What's ridiculous about it? WITH MITIGATION, we've already lost 120,000, right in the estimate range. So, since that was accurate, why do you think the estimate without mitigation was/is not?

Of course, we'll never know for certain, because thankfully mitigation efforts were taken.

Number of test given is widely reported, so I don;t know where you're getting that.
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R Clark 02:47 PM 06-20-2020
I’ve yet to read anything about number of test given in this thread?might have missed it I guess
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