Just realized he said “I also said”. That’s why it seems so off. Sounds like he’s not denying it, he’s just trying to add context that doesn’t really change anything
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Not only is Mayfield an arrogant prick, he is an overrated arrogant prick. He is on the same tier as Sam Darnold as far as QBs are concerned.
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I've been hearing good things about Darnold ... not sure what to believe, of course.

Nevertheless, if the reports are accurate and not overblown, Darnold may wind up statistically outplaying Mayfield ... we'll find out.

Darnold seems like a much nicer person, though. He's not the kind of guy you smack in the face at the frat kegger. He's more like the kind of guy you distract with a shiny object so you can steal his girlfriend.

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:-) The Browns will have their hands full trying to stay ahead of the Steelers and Ravens. They arent the 1-31 Browns but they arent contenders either. Honestly I think 8-9 wins. Its always harder to wins games on the field then it is on paper.
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I think the AFCN is up in the air, I don't think the Steelers are better than the Browns and who knows about the Ravens? Cincy has a new HC but even they might end up on top of that division.
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he may be an arrogant prick, but I find it entertaining that there is one QB out there that is willing to go off-script.
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The Steelers are in disarray. The Ravens are going to run a high school offense. Cinci is starting over.

I can see Cleveland going 10-6 easily.
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IF we'd have ended up with Mayfield instead of Mahomes this board would be loving the kid.

I ain't saying I wish that's what happened, because Mahomes is in a whole different class, but Mayfield is a distant second in the most promising young QB field.

I have zero issues with him being arrogant; he backs it up. He has a chip on his shoulder because he's been doubted at every level.
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We don't even play the Browns this year, change your tampon.
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Lol you continue to act like it’s just about him being arrogant when it’s not. You like him, I get it, but you continue to ignore what are very fair criticisms.
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And how the fuck are the Steelers in “disarray”? :-)
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Eh...yes and no.

There are guys that we root for and LOVE rooting for. Guys who we loudly support and are proud to do it. Mahomes is clearly that guy.

And then there are guys that we root for because they're our guy. We support because "fuck the haters". It's a different kind of support more based on external pressures than anything. And by the way, the support for those guys is nowhere near as universal (thinking Larry Johnson and Marcus Peters as obvious examples).

Johnson is perfect in that there's an obvious counter-example: Priest. Chiefs fans !@#$ing adored Priest Holmes and even after Nacho-Gate and some of the weirdness surrounding his departure, the guy was just a god in this town. Meanwhile Larry Johnson was as good or better for the club and we...tolerated him. We liked him when he was good and were all just fine washing our hands of him when he wasn't.

That's the Mahomes/Mayfield distinction. If we had Mayfield, sure - we'd like him. We'd back him and we'd give the bird to those that didn't. But we wouldn't embrace him the same way we have Mahomes or Priest. We'd keep have that schadenfreude sort of fandom; the fandom that comes with liking a guy in part because others hate him and hes YOURS. The Larry Johnson type that is fleeting.

There are some commonalities there but don't act like it would be the same. It wouldn't be - not close.
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DJ you’re talking to somebody that thinks Mayfield’s only problem is “arrogance” and chooses to ignore the red flags (back and forth with Cowherd, Duke Johnson comments, Daniel Jones comments, etc.)

He’s not going to agree with the LJ/Peters comparisons.
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The only difference between 'arrogance' and 'cockiness' (which I believe is a fair proxy for your 'red flags') is degree.

If there's any reasonable conversation to be had, there has to be an acknowledgement that wherever that line may be Mayfield is, at best, close enough to it to make which term is applicable up for debate.

I think he's unreasonably cocky. Dude acts like he's a superstar already when he very clearly isn't. Go ahead and rate his stats up to 16 starts if you want and you're still looking at a fairly inefficient passer who barely cracked the top 20 in several key stats. I mean for all the crap Trubisky takes as a passer, the guy was significantly better than Mayfield in both QBR and Passer Rating. His adjusted yards/attempt were closer to Eli Manning than they were anyone in the top 10.

He is, right now, a firmly average overall quarterback who has moments of spectacular play. Okay. That doesn't speak to his potential but it absolutely speaks to his standing to act like he's king shit now. He isn't.
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