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The Marty Lounge>Steven Nelson calls out Chiefs and Bob Sutton
MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08:49 AM 04-17-2019

Former Chiefs CB Steven Nelson, now with Steelers, says he felt 'shaded' by Chiefs fans, KC's predictable scheme puts players in tough spot. "You have to switch it up. It's the National Football League." https://t.co/NpGrWm2QBX

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) April 17, 2019


"I kind of felt like I was shaded," Nelson said about his time there. "I just felt like it was a slap in the face. A lot of people didn't really know what was going on there. A lot of players took the heat."

"You're a target to other teams, referees, fans. It's just not a good thing," Nelson said. "You have to switch it up. It's the National Football League. These offenses are smart. If you switch it up like these other offenses are doing, you can make plays."
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Sweet Daddy Hate 04:28 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
What are you even talking about? Nobody ever said any such thing.
I said we were changing the pass rush, not abandoning it. He and others are crying over two ultimately inconsequential OLB's as if rushing from the edge were the only way in ALL of football to get after a QB.
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PAChiefsGuy 04:29 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by Best22:
Houston was healthy last year. He got 9 sacks on a line with Ford and Jones. Good player but in no way worth AD money
He played in 12-games. Granted he always gets hurt regardless but he was pretty good when he played. I understand why we got rid of him but I'm just saying wout Ford and JHouston our dline is basically Chris Jones and a bunch of unproven players.

Just funny how when J Houston was here Sutton is an idiot for not rushing him more and ppl were saying he'd be a beast if he rushed every down. Now he gets cut and all of a sudden J Houston isn't that good. Which is it??

Anyway the signing of NEs dline coach should help but we'll see.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 05:23 PM 04-18-2019
There is an increasing belief in NFL circles that the secondary is more valuable than the edge rush. If you consider that many offenses get rid of the ball so quickly that almost no edge rusher can get there in time, the ability to extend the rush via better coverage is the only way to slow down a passing offense that relies on short, quick routes. Given that interior rushers have a much shorter path to travel, they are actually worth more since the time to arrive at the target is so short.

Therefore, the best way to build a defense is to have good excellent interior rushers, and corners that work best in small spaces with quick movement, sacrificing the expensive edge rusher with depth in the process.

This makes even more sense if you consider that most teams only want their DL on the field for 65% of the plays, no matter how good they are.

So, would you rather have a Jalen Ramsey that can impact every pass, or a DL that can impact 65%? Thus, paying neither Ford nor Houston their salaries is actually a very wise move, given how little they would be on the field and how difficult it would be for them to get consistent pressure against a short, precise passing game.
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ping2000 05:32 PM 04-18-2019
Who fucking cares? Both are gone. Celebrate.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 05:33 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There is an increasing belief in NFL circles that the secondary is more valuable than the edge rush. If you consider that many offenses get rid of the ball so quickly that almost no edge rusher can get there in time, the ability to extend the rush via better coverage is the only way to slow down a passing offense that relies on short, quick routes. Given that interior rushers have a much shorter path to travel, they are actually worth more since the time to arrive at the target is so short.

Therefore, the best way to build a defense is to have good excellent interior rushers, and corners that work best in small spaces with quick movement, sacrificing the expensive edge rusher with depth in the process.

This makes even more sense if you consider that most teams only want their DL on the field for 65% of the plays, no matter how good they are.

So, would you rather have a Jalen Ramsey that can impact every pass, or a DL that can impact 65%? Thus, paying neither Ford nor Houston their salaries is actually a very wise move, given how little they would be on the field and how difficult it would be for them to get consistent pressure against a short, precise passing game.
Eloquently put, and 1000% correct.
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Detoxing 05:36 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There is an increasing belief in NFL circles that the secondary is more valuable than the edge rush. If you consider that many offenses get rid of the ball so quickly that almost no edge rusher can get there in time, the ability to extend the rush via better coverage is the only way to slow down a passing offense that relies on short, quick routes. Given that interior rushers have a much shorter path to travel, they are actually worth more since the time to arrive at the target is so short.

Therefore, the best way to build a defense is to have good excellent interior rushers, and corners that work best in small spaces with quick movement, sacrificing the expensive edge rusher with depth in the process.

This makes even more sense if you consider that most teams only want their DL on the field for 65% of the plays, no matter how good they are.

So, would you rather have a Jalen Ramsey that can impact every pass, or a DL that can impact 65%? Thus, paying neither Ford nor Houston their salaries is actually a very wise move, given how little they would be on the field and how difficult it would be for them to get consistent pressure against a short, precise passing game.
Which is why we all wanted the 43 in the first place. It's why Reid wanted it. It's why the scheme was switched.

The path to Brady is through the middle.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 06:11 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
Which is why we all wanted the 43 in the first place. It's why Reid wanted it. It's why the scheme was switched.

The path to Brady is through the middle.
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright! So let's quit lamenting our slow-assed, departed edge rushers; one with meat head, one with quit( cuz' his little buddy ).

Ask any QB in the NFL what fucks them up worse than anything and they will answer 9 out 10 times, "somebody up in my face right after the snap". These guys are trained to break right or left when the edge guys come. It's much harder to run away when someone us coming up the gut for your ass. It's VERY hard when there are TWO of them.
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rabblerouser 07:07 PM 04-18-2019
Originally Posted by TribalElder:
Fuck Steven Nelson.

That stiff necked bitch.
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Hog's Gone Fishin 05:33 AM 04-21-2019
This reminds me so much of why Sutton is GONE!


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farmerchief 06:58 AM 04-21-2019
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There is an increasing belief in NFL circles that the secondary is more valuable than the edge rush. If you consider that many offenses get rid of the ball so quickly that almost no edge rusher can get there in time, the ability to extend the rush via better coverage is the only way to slow down a passing offense that relies on short, quick routes. Given that interior rushers have a much shorter path to travel, they are actually worth more since the time to arrive at the target is so short.

Therefore, the best way to build a defense is to have good excellent interior rushers, and corners that work best in small spaces with quick movement, sacrificing the expensive edge rusher with depth in the process.

This makes even more sense if you consider that most teams only want their DL on the field for 65% of the plays, no matter how good they are.

So, would you rather have a Jalen Ramsey that can impact every pass, or a DL that can impact 65%? Thus, paying neither Ford nor Houston their salaries is actually a very wise move, given how little they would be on the field and how difficult it would be for them to get consistent pressure against a short, precise passing game.
Yep, I agree! Im not really concerned with losing Ford and Houston, as Im thinking more pressure up the middle is what is needed. You look at our biggest rivals on the path to the super bowl, Brady,Rivers, Big Ben, they are all virtually immobile and need to stay in the pocket. If we have good coverage downfield and pressure up the middle, that would seem to be the path to success!
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crispystl 08:24 AM 04-21-2019
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
There is an increasing belief in NFL circles that the secondary is more valuable than the edge rush. If you consider that many offenses get rid of the ball so quickly that almost no edge rusher can get there in time, the ability to extend the rush via better coverage is the only way to slow down a passing offense that relies on short, quick routes. Given that interior rushers have a much shorter path to travel, they are actually worth more since the time to arrive at the target is so short.

Therefore, the best way to build a defense is to have good excellent interior rushers, and corners that work best in small spaces with quick movement, sacrificing the expensive edge rusher with depth in the process.

This makes even more sense if you consider that most teams only want their DL on the field for 65% of the plays, no matter how good they are.

So, would you rather have a Jalen Ramsey that can impact every pass, or a DL that can impact 65%? Thus, paying neither Ford nor Houston their salaries is actually a very wise move, given how little they would be on the field and how difficult it would be for them to get consistent pressure against a short, precise passing game.
Yup this. At the VERY least it's the formula for beating the Pats. This Chiefs team really seems to know wtf they're trying to do and have a plan.
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srvy 09:20 AM 04-21-2019
Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire:
Nelson is awfully arrogant for a mediocre player.

Glad that shit head is gone. Heíll fit right in with Pittsburgh
Finally a proper reply to this Nelson thread. What a complete waste of time for a very mediocre player.
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MMXcalibur 10:42 AM 04-21-2019
Fuck Bob Sutton and all, but Steven Nelson isnít anywhere near good enough to call out anyone.
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Chris Meck 10:56 AM 04-21-2019
Originally Posted by MMXcalibur:
**** Bob Sutton and all, but Steven Nelson isnít anywhere near good enough to call out anyone.
I'm nowhere near being a Nelson fan; in fact several of you have argued that he's better than i think he is.

He should probably be in zone more than man; that would make better use of his abilities and lessen his inability to locate the ball by keeping it in front of him as much as possible.

He's a mediocre player which Pittsburgh fans are about to find out. He's also correct in his assessment of Sutton's defense.

You don't have to be a genius to spot a dumb-ass.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 11:06 AM 04-21-2019
Especially in Sutton's case. The fact that a complete moron like Romo could call it tells you all you need to know about Bob-o's "creativity".
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