Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Another ****ing straw man? Really? When I found my both my Granparents had cancer I didn't go into a panic that I might have cancer and end up like them. There is a difference between acknowledging a situation and pretending every situation is just like that one.
Mu Boss had all kinds of cancer inside him at the age of 48, my age. He went through surgery and all is well now and he will live a long life.
So what's your point?
You said..."for every serious case there are several non-serious case"
Well my co worker found out she had a breast cancer a month ago, had the procedure and was back to work 3 days later and it is going to have to do a little radiation but she is going to be hopefully fine.
So I should say to her, keep some perspective you had a mild case of breast cancer you are lucky you didn't end up like Kelly Preston?
Covid has already killed 3x as many people this year than breast cancer will..in 6 months. We may have hundreds of thousands of people with long term health issues because of covid.
I have said this before to you, but you come across as minimizing this and that might not be your intention but that is the way it sounds. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
This type of statement never makes any sense to me. There are a lot of things that kill more Americans in 6 months time than died in our biggest wars. And it happens year after year after year.
This doesn't take away anything from covid being a new and scary disease. I just don't get the comparison.
Cancer and car accidents aren’t contagious. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
You said..."for every serious case there are several non-serious case"
Well my co worker found out she had a breast cancer a month ago, had the procedure and was back to work 3 days later and it is going to have to do a little radiation but she is going to be hopefully fine.
So I should say to her, keep some perspective you had a mild case of breast cancer you are lucky you didn't end up like Kelly Preston?
Covid has already killed 3x as many people this year than breast cancer will..in 6 months. We may have hundreds of thousands of people with long term health issues because of covid.
I have said this before to you, but you come across as minimizing this and that might not be your intention but that is the way it sounds.
You're rambling. If we went by your logic you would tell everyone who is diagnosed with cancer that they are done and to hang it up because someone else with cancer died. No matter what the data shows, you would be there telling them they are as good as dead. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
This type of statement never makes any sense to me. There are a lot of things that kill more Americans in 6 months time than died in our biggest wars. And it happens year after year after year.
This doesn't take away anything from covid being a new and scary disease. I just don't get the comparison.
I think about 9-11 alot and how that one singular event that killed 3k of our citizens even 20 years later has such an impact on our lives. Think about all the changes we had to make to never let that happen again.
We are having a 9-11 event every 3 days and NY was having multiples every day during their peak.
And we can't get people to wear masks or social distance...
But if you want to look at death stats, only heart disease and all cancer deaths is beating out Covid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
Cancer and car accidents aren’t contagious.
Second hand smoke can give you cancer though so we banned smoking indoors and on planes and people freaked out about having to change their lifestyle to protect other people then too.
We're a nation of selfish assholes who only realize we were being selfish assholes years later and I include myself in that as a former smoker. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
Second hand smoke can give you cancer though so we banned smoking indoors and on planes and people freaked out about having to change their lifestyle to protect other people then too.
We're a nation of selfish assholes who only realize we were being selfish assholes years later and I include myself in that as a former smoker.
If we got rid of cars we could end deaths related to car accidents too!!!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You're rambling. If we went by your logic you would tell everyone who is diagnosed with cancer that they are done and to hang it up because someone else with cancer died. No matter what the data shows, you would be there telling them they are as good as dead.
No that is not my style and I definitely wouldn't be minimizing it and telling them to keep perspective either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
No that is not my style and I definitely wouldn't be minimizing it and telling them to keep perspective either.
It is most certainly your style. You are doom and gloom through and through, bro. It's not even debatable.
You say people minimize things because they don't share your doom and gloom attitude. Pointing to the data is not minimizing anything. It's pointing to the data. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Yes because most rarely do things that lower their risk
Same for heart disease.
Just wait, be patient, when we're still wearing masks years from now and society finds new 'simple steps' that are now executive order punishable by individual sanction to save us from those scourges. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If we got rid of cars we could end deaths related to car accidents too!!!!
No we added seatbelts and people bitched about that too but I do understand that you're being intentionally obtuse like you have throughout this cursed thread. [Reply]
