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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>"I had a dream" Mock 3/13/21
kccrow 11:54 AM 03-13-2021
I had a dream that Brett Veach doesn't stop the runaway train and aggressively attacks both free agency and the draft while using up his "piggy banks" and the NFL quivers as he lays waste to the naysayers.

Restructures/Extensions
Already done: QB Patrick Mahomes
DT Chris Jones roster bonus into signing bonus ($+13.5M)
WR Tyreek Hill roster bonus into signing bonus ($+6M)
TE Travis Kelce roster bonus into signing bonus ($+6M)
SS Tyrann Mathieu 3-year extension, converting 10 million of base salary to signing bonus (+ $7M)

Cuts
Already done: LT Eric Fisher, RT Mitchell Schwartz
LB Anthony Hitchens, June 1 designation ($+6M)

Cap Effects
Rookie Pool is about $8.4M so Effective Draft Reserve is about $3.1M
In-Season Reserve $3.5M

Leaves spendable cap space at $50.7M - $3.1M - $3.5M = $44.1M

Re-Sign FAs
Chiefs sign to 1-year veteran minimum deals:
WR Byron Pringle at $920k
RB Darrell Williams at $920k
LB Ben Niemann at $920k
DE Taco Charlton at $887.5k
WR Demarcus Robinson at $1.127k (4-year vet benefit)

Tenders
CB Charvarius Ward, 2nd Rd RFA of $3.422M
TE Nick Kiezer, ERFA of $675k
CB DeAndre Baker, ERFA of $750k

Free Agent Acquisitions
LT Trent Williams (SF) - 4 years, $78M w/ $40M in total guarantees, incl. $15M signing bonus (2021 est. $13.0M)
One of the premier left tackles in the game that's ready to win a ring.
DE Romeo Okwara (DET) - 5 years, $79M w/ $13.5M in total guarantees, incl. $10M signing bonus (2021 est. $6.0M)
Young, up-and-coming defensive end that's put up 10 sacks twice so far in his career but inconsistency has been an issue
OC Nick Martin (HOU) - 4 years, $45M w/ 17M in total guarantees, inc.e $5M signing bonus(2021 est. $8.0M)
A stud pass-blocking center with the athleticism to pull and reach the second level but isn't anything more than a wall-off blocker in the run game.
LB Nick Vigil (LAC) - 2 years, $5.5M incl. $1.5M signing bonus (2021 est. $2.1M)
A better coverage linebacker than Hitchens while offering the same marginal performance against the run.
ST Roderick Johnson (HOU) - 2 years, $5.5M incl. $1.5M signing bonus (2021 est. $2.1M)
A solid swing tackle that can play on either side effectively.
WR John Ross (CIN) - 1 year vet min at $990k
Speed demon with an injury history but Veach likes to take chances on former 1st rounders
SS Leno Hill (SEA) - 1 year vet min at $990k
A big box safety/linebacker hybrid with speed but hasn't had much luck in Seattle

Draft
Round 1-16 | LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame (6'1" 220)
- Kansas City trades 1-31, 3-94, 2022 2nd to Arizona for 1-16
Ultra-athletic SS/WLB hybrid playmaker with sideline-to-sideline range and the ability to cover anyone.
Round 2-60 | WR Tylan Wallace, Oklahoma State (5'11" 193)
- Kansas City trades 2-63, 5-181 to New Orleans for 2-60
Outside WR with the potential to become great once he learns to beat man press and quicken his release.
Round 4-136 | OG Royce Newman, Mississippi (6'5" 306)
Guard/tackle much in the mold of Andrew Wylie with outstanding athleticism and good pass blocking pedigree but needs to improve anchor.
Round 4-144 | DE Janarius Robinson, Florida State (6'5" 266)
Long, thick DE with good strength and tremendous pop in his pads but needs to learn to play like Tarzan all the time.
Round 5-175 | DT Khyiris Tonga, Brigham Young (6'3" 322)
Big run plugger with some 2-down pass rush ability to replace Pennel.
Round 6-205 | OC Ryan McCollum, Texas A&M (6'5" 300)
Solid, athletic center with some similarities to Morse but less refined.

Roster
QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne
RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, Dam. Williams, Dar. Williams

WR: T. Hill, D. Robinson, M. Hardman, T. Wallace, B. Pringle, J. Ross
TE: T. Kelce, N. Keizer

LT: T. Williams, R. Johnson
LG: N. Allegretti, Y. Durant, M. Rankin
OC: N. Martin, R. McCollum
RG: L. Duvernay-Tardif, R. Newman
RT: L. Niang

DE: F. Clark, J. Robinson, T. Charlton
DT: C. Jones, T. Wharton
DT: D. Nnadi, K. Saunders, K. Tonga
DE: R. Okwara, M. Danna

SLB: W. Gay, D. Harris
ILB: N. Vigil, E. Smith
WLB: J. Owusu-Koramoah, B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel

CB: C. Ward, L. Sneed, R. Fenton, T. Keyes, D. Baker
S: T. Mathieu, J. Thornhill, L. Hill, A. Watts

K: Butker
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester
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kccrow 09:33 AM 03-14-2021
White isn't probably the best comp for him but he's the guy fresh on everyone's mind. I'd probably put him more in the Darius Leonard/Deion Jones category and Jones might be the best overall physical comparison. I trade up to 16 because I think he goes to the Raiders otherwise. I'd rather him on our team than theirs.

We could potentially lose Sorensen, a vastly underrated loss, and improving upon his ability to cover underneath would be a huge boost. Covering underneath routes is an Achilles heel of this defense.

I'd rate the importance of a coverage WLB/SS type as the 2nd most important need on defense after DE, and if DE can be filled in FA then I think you look for a LB early in the draft. There are some other later options not as good as JOK and I think you may have to move up in the 2nd for them. Jabril Cox and Chazz Surratt are the two that come immediately to mind.

And with that, how much would people bitch if the situations were reversed and the same draft capital was used to get Bateman and Surratt or Cox? That was the other scenario playing in my head but I don't see the results as any different versus JOK and Wallace.

Obviously, though, this is a situation where I modeled out an overly aggressive offseason and draft. I don't think it quite goes down like that in the offseason where you get 3 guys near the top of their respective positions at 3 of the biggest need areas on the team in LT, OC, and DE.

People say "I wouldn't trade up for any positions but xxx." We could play through countless FA scenarios that adjust the draft. What if we swap out the 5/78 to Okwara and instead do 5/78 for Corey Davis? I mean, that's probably the range for him. JuJu I think is a 20+ guy on the market. Now you trade up for, let's say it's Rousseau. I think Paye goes higher but it could be Paye. Then you move up in the 2nd for Cox. It's all relative, filling the same positions just in different ways. Now you have Davis, Rousseau, and Cox instead of Wallace, Okwara, and JOK.

I think the theory is you trade up for a playmaker that fills a void and position doesn't matter so much. I mean sure, I'm not going to trade up in the 1st for a guard, center, tight end, defensive tackle, or safety this year in all likelihood (although a modest move a few spots for Moehrig I'd be on board with). That said, any other position where you can make a significant upgrade and add a playmaker has to be on the table.
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duncan_idaho 10:06 AM 03-14-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
White isn't probably the best comp for him but he's the guy fresh on everyone's mind. I'd probably put him more in the Darius Leonard/Deion Jones category and Jones might be the best overall physical comparison. I trade up to 16 because I think he goes to the Raiders otherwise. I'd rather him on our team than theirs.

We could potentially lose Sorensen, a vastly underrated loss, and improving upon his ability to cover underneath would be a huge boost. Covering underneath routes is an Achilles heel of this defense.

I'd rate the importance of a coverage WLB/SS type as the 2nd most important need on defense after DE, and if DE can be filled in FA then I think you look for a LB early in the draft. There are some other later options not as good as JOK and I think you may have to move up in the 2nd for them. Jabril Cox and Chazz Surratt are the two that come immediately to mind.

And with that, how much would people bitch if the situations were reversed and the same draft capital was used to get Bateman and Surratt or Cox? That was the other scenario playing in my head but I don't see the results as any different versus JOK and Wallace.

Obviously, though, this is a situation where I modeled out an overly aggressive offseason and draft. I don't think it quite goes down like that in the offseason where you get 3 guys near the top of their respective positions at 3 of the biggest need areas on the team in LT, OC, and DE.

People say "I wouldn't trade up for any positions but xxx." We could play through countless FA scenarios that adjust the draft. What if we swap out the 5/78 to Okwara and instead do 5/78 for Corey Davis? I mean, that's probably the range for him. JuJu I think is a 20+ guy on the market. Now you trade up for, let's say it's Rousseau. I think Paye goes higher but it could be Paye. Then you move up in the 2nd for Cox. It's all relative, filling the same positions just in different ways. Now you have Davis, Rousseau, and Cox instead of Wallace, Okwara, and JOK.

I think the theory is you trade up for a playmaker that fills a void and position doesn't matter so much. I mean sure, I'm not going to trade up in the 1st for a guard, center, tight end, defensive tackle, or safety this year in all likelihood (although a modest move a few spots for Moehrig I'd be on board with). That said, any other position where you can make a significant upgrade and add a playmaker has to be on the table.

Yeah, I get where you’re coming from. It definitely makes sense.

I just hate spending in the first on a LB, is what it comes down to.

I think this is a sneaky good safety class, with a lot of guys who can give them a physical upgrade at the sorenson spot that slot into rounds 4-5. Tyree Gillespie/Jacoby Stevens/Devine Diablo being 3 names that leap immediately to mind.

I trust Veach’s vision, so if they traded up for JOK I would “get” it. I would have a lot more naturally positive reaction to a trade up for a DE or WR, though.

The Vigil-for-Hitchens swap is an interesting approach and I like that a lot.
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BryanBusby 02:56 PM 03-14-2021
The Chiefs don't seem very interested in spending a lot on the position.

Moving up to do this seems very unlikely.
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BigChiefFan 04:10 PM 03-14-2021
I really like MLBer, Cameron McGrone, from Michigan as a 3rd rounder for the Chiefs. We won’t have to spend near the draft capital and we keep Hitchens through the year.
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Direckshun 05:03 PM 03-14-2021
Explain how this beats the Bucs in the Super Bowl, please.

When the Bucs throw 4 guys at Kelce & Hill, what’s the plan?
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kccrow 08:35 PM 03-14-2021
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
Explain how this beats the Bucs in the Super Bowl, please.

When the Bucs throw 4 guys at Kelce & Hill, what’s the plan?

There is no plan if we face the Bucs. We're going to meet at the 50, drop our pants and raise banners that say "give it to me in the ass harder this time Goodell."



All joking aside, I drafted a WR in the 2nd in Tylan Wallace, added Ross in FA, and retained 2 FA WRs in Robinson and Pringle.

Is there something more you want to happen? If so, I'd say prep to be very disappointed.


Oh, and you have a guy that can actually cover Gronk. And another 10 sack pass rusher to get to Brady.
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kccrow 08:36 PM 03-14-2021
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
The Chiefs don't seem very interested in spending a lot on the position.

Moving up to do this seems very unlikely.
That's because they've been primarily playing Sorensen as a WLB for 2 seasons.

I think drafting a LB relatively high, if they fill other needs in FA, is more probable than one would think.
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kccrow 08:42 PM 03-14-2021
Originally Posted by BigChiefFan:
I really like MLBer, Cameron McGrone, from Michigan as a 3rd rounder for the Chiefs. We won’t have to spend near the draft capital and we keep Hitchens through the year.
McGrone is great playing downhill. Not so great in coverage yet. He's certainly a sleeper as a developmental guy and I'd say the 3rd is about right for him.

I'd say if they want a coverage LB, then look at Jabril Cox, Chazz Surratt, or JaCoby Stevens. I think Cox and Surratt in 2, Stevens in 4.
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Stryker 11:05 AM 03-15-2021
Well Romeo Okwara is gone... 3 yrs $39 mill with Detroit


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...r-39m-contract
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htismaqe 11:20 AM 03-15-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
McGrone
Stopped right there.

The name is a non-starter.

:-)
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kccrow 11:52 AM 03-15-2021
Originally Posted by Stryker:
Well Romeo Okwara is gone... 3 yrs $39 mill with Detroit


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...r-39m-contract
Saw that. Sucks. A little less AAV than I thought he'd cost too, but that just means more money on the front than KC would probably want to entertain.

Lots of good Edge options out there though, and some better than Okwara.
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BryanBusby 11:59 AM 03-15-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
That's because they've been primarily playing Sorensen as a WLB for 2 seasons.

I think drafting a LB relatively high, if they fill other needs in FA, is more probable than one would think.
Hard disagree. Andy and Spagnuolo will favor DL over LB.

But more than that, they are going to prioritize fixing the fact they only scored 9 points in the SB.

Everything else is just noise until that's resolved.
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kccrow 12:11 PM 03-15-2021
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Hard disagree. Andy and Spagnuolo will favor DL over LB.

But more than that, they are going to prioritize fixing the fact they only scored 9 points in the SB.

Everything else is just noise until that's resolved.
What, exactly, are you "hard disagreeing" with?

I've been an avid supporter of fixing the OLine and DLine first. I said here IF they fix those items in FA, then LB could be very high on the list.

The only mocks I've put LB high are ones in which LT, OC, and DE get fixed first, whether its through FA or in combination.

And yes, I do think they prioritize a coverage LB that can be a better filler for what they were using Sorensen to do over the SS type with marginal coverage ability that Sorensen was - after the Oline and DE are addressed.

I think they add a WR or 2, but I think people will be disappointed in expecting some extravagant overhaul there. I could be wrong, but I have serious doubts. A WR in FA and 1 in the draft somewhere is probably maxing what they'll do. They'll bring guys back, at least one of Pringle or Robinson and probably both. It takes a while for WRs to get up-to-speed in this offense.
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BigChiefFan 06:49 PM 03-15-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
McGrone is great playing downhill. Not so great in coverage yet. He's certainly a sleeper as a developmental guy and I'd say the 3rd is about right for him.

I'd say if they want a coverage LB, then look at Jabril Cox, Chazz Surratt, or JaCoby Stevens. I think Cox and Surratt in 2, Stevens in 4.
Jabril Cox is terrific in coverage and I definitely think he’ll be there at 31, but I have him rated in the mid 40’s range. If we address some issues in free agency, I can see us trading down a little and drafting him. That said, I’m hoping a Pass Rushing DE falls to us in the first. You’re right on the money for the coverage linebackers and their predicted slotting. Admittedly, I have an affinity for old school thumpers at LBer and just like McGrone’s hard nosed approach to the game.
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BryanBusby 07:05 PM 03-16-2021
Originally Posted by kccrow:
What, exactly, are you "hard disagreeing" with?

I've been an avid supporter of fixing the OLine and DLine first. I said here IF they fix those items in FA, then LB could be very high on the list.

The only mocks I've put LB high are ones in which LT, OC, and DE get fixed first, whether its through FA or in combination.

And yes, I do think they prioritize a coverage LB that can be a better filler for what they were using Sorensen to do over the SS type with marginal coverage ability that Sorensen was - after the Oline and DE are addressed.

I think they add a WR or 2, but I think people will be disappointed in expecting some extravagant overhaul there. I could be wrong, but I have serious doubts. A WR in FA and 1 in the draft somewhere is probably maxing what they'll do. They'll bring guys back, at least one of Pringle or Robinson and probably both. It takes a while for WRs to get up-to-speed in this offense.
Hard disagree that they are going hard after a LB. They're going to spend heavy to give Pat everything.
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