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O.city 09:32 AM 12-02-2019
Last 2 weeks have been pretty shitty on offense. Sure they scored yesterday, but that's against the shitbird Raiders and the Chiefs looked shitty doing it.

Mahomes doesn't look right to my eye. Anyone else notice he seemed to be laboring to even get back to hand the ball off at times? Is he still hurt?

He looks skiddish in the pocket (with the interior OL I guess I get it) but the Chiefs can't win in the playoffs without him being his normal self.

What's everyone's thoughts on whats going on? Am I just seeing shit?
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KCChiefsFan88 01:52 PM 12-02-2019
Andy already indicating today that Darrel Williams is unlikely to play vs the Faketriots.

Lots of McCoy/Darwin at RB on Sunday which isn’t necessarily a bad thing (assuming Shady protects the football).
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petegz28 01:53 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
And?

They've struggled in those games offensively and are currently the 4th seed in the playoffs.

I'm glad you enjoy being .500 against good teams though.
Apparently you don't watch much football.....
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petegz28 01:53 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Andy already indicating today that Darrel Williams is unlikely to play vs the Faketriots.

Lots of McCoy/Darwin at RB on Sunday which isnít necessarily a bad thing (assuming Shady protects the football).
And Thompson the QB
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O.city 01:53 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
you being ****y again?

i'm shocked
I guess I am.

I don't really see how it's that far out of whack to say the offense has struggled compared to what it should be.
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Aspengc8 01:54 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by rabblerouser:
Are you serious?

Tell me this is a troll post...
explain to me how inside zone blocking changes when a QB is under center vs a shotgun.
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O.city 01:54 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Apparently you don't watch much football.....
For sure.
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Hammock Parties 01:59 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by O.city:
I guess I am.

I don't really see how it's that far out of whack to say the offense has struggled compared to what it should be.
because of field conditions and wind mostly

so stop being cunty

they looked like last year's offense in TEN
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petegz28 02:03 PM 12-02-2019
We've had a gimped OLine, and QB most of the season...

We had our #1 WR out several games

We had our #1 QB out for 2.75 games

We had our #2 WR out a few games

We've had our RB's going down

We have played all of 2 games with a healthy offense, sorta. Both of those games were in shit conditions for either the field being crappy and a altitude or a 40mph blustery cross wind.

We put up 56 offensive points in those 2 games and people are bitching???

We are going on game #3 with a healthy offense. Give it a fucking break!
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keg in kc 02:05 PM 12-02-2019
Injuries across the board and weather yesterday. It's hard to get and stay in synch when the roster changes weekly. They've had an insane amount of either recurring or nagging injuries.
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TwistedChief 02:09 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by petegz28:
We've had a gimped OLine, and QB most of the season...

We had our #1 WR out several games

We had our #1 QB out for 2.75 games

We had our #2 WR out a few games

We've had our RB's going down

We have played all of 2 games with a healthy offense, sorta. Both of those games were in shit conditions for either the field being crappy and a altitude or a 40mph blustery cross wind.

We put up 56 offensive points in those 2 games and people are bitching???

We are going on game #3 with a healthy offense. Give it a fucking break!
This all day.

If Mahomes didnít torch the fucking Titans, Iíd be a bit more concerned.

But do people really think the elements the last couple games havenít mattered? The best proof that they have is the opposing QBs who both have made our defense look like world beaters.

Our defense isnít as good as it looked last night. Our offense is a lot better than it looked last night.

Weíll be fine. Believe in God but put the ball in the hands of Mahomes.
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petegz28 02:14 PM 12-02-2019
I'll leave this here...

and that's being out 2.75 games this season to boot

Mahomes didn’t light up the stat sheet on Sunday, but he still managed to break yet another record. With one scoring strike to tailback Darrel Williams, Mahomes became the fastest player in NFL history to tally 70 touchdowns through the air, passing Pro Football Hall of Famer Dan Marino.
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rabblerouser 02:16 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by Aspengc8:
explain to me how inside zone blocking changes when a QB is under center vs a shotgun.
We don't do much inside zone blocking, first of all.

It has more to do with the personnel groups and the actual formation. Shotgun usually has a single back set, with no lead blocker for the running back.

I formation has a fullback as the lead blocker.

A typical bread-and-butter play from the I-formation might have a name like "I right 32 iso". That means an I formation with the right side being the strong side -- the tight end and the flanker (the wide receiver a yard behind the line of scrimmage) are lined up to the right, with a split end (the wide receiver on the line of scrimmage) on the left. The 32 means the halfback (or the 3-back) is getting the ball and running through the 2-hole (between the center and right guard). "Iso" is short for isolation, meaning the fullback is leading the running back through the hole and engaging the middle linebacker in an isolation, one-on-one block. (You know, the kind of block where the MNF audience heard Ray Lewis complain that he was being double-teamed, but was just getting his ass kicked.)

The offensive linemen block the players in front of them, with each tackle taking a defensive end, a guard blocking one defensive tackle alone and the other guard and the center double-teaming the other defensive tackle. The tight end blocks the strongside linebacker, and the two receivers might run a flag or a hook route to take the cornerbacks out of the play.

A play like I right 32 ISO won't produce a lot of long runs, but that's not what it's designed for. If the right personnel executes it properly, it will accomplish one of two things: Either it will consistently allow the offense to gain four yards a pop (and an offense that can do that will march right down the field) or it will force the defense to bring the strong safety close to the line of scrimmage for run support. When TV announcers describe this, they call it "eight in the box, " and it means the defense is susceptible to the other bread-and-butter play of the I-formation: the play-action pass.

When the offense sees the strong safety playing run, it becomes clear that it's time to run the play action. The linemen and fullback have the same blocking responsibilities and try to make it look like a running play. The quarterback fakes a handoff to the running back, but instead of giving up the ball he goes into his seven-step drop. With the strong safety playing run support, the cornerback has no help in coverage on the flanker, who becomes the primary receiver on the play. This could be Hill's bread and butter. It's made for Mahomes to Hill.


The 3rd and 1 where Mahomes did a play fake and flicked the ball to Sausage out of the 22 personnel I formation was PERFECTION - the defense bit so hard on the play fake...

There's so much versatility in the I formation for this offense.

Let's talk a little more about the fullback, Sausage, who usually lines up about four yards behind the quarterback, with the running back usually about three yards further behind. At seven yards behind the line of scrimmage, the running back can easily survey the field to see where the defensive players are lining up, and he can get a full head of steam so that he's at full speed when he hits the line of scrimmage. The running back also has time to watch blocks develop and can find cutback lanes.

That's why running from under center is better than running from shotgun, for starters. The personnel and formations lend themselves better to more efficient running.
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chiefzilla1501 02:31 PM 12-02-2019
Need to see what darwins got. Saw Duke Johnson explode in space vs NE yesterday and can't see why Darwin can't do the same. We made that mistake last year when new England was spoon feeding us the rb dump off and we weren't taking it. Split time with mccoy who hasn't been great but hasn't been terrible, fumbling aside.
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King_Chief_Fan 02:41 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
because of field conditions and wind mostly

so stop being ****y

they looked like last year's offense in TEN
You need to go find something else to do.
Your schtick has been worn out for some time.

You are a blind homer with copied football takes.
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chiefzilla1501 02:56 PM 12-02-2019
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
This all day.

If Mahomes didnít torch the ****ing Titans, Iíd be a bit more concerned.

But do people really think the elements the last couple games havenít mattered? The best proof that they have is the opposing QBs who both have made our defense look like world beaters.

Our defense isnít as good as it looked last night. Our offense is a lot better than it looked last night.

Weíll be fine. Believe in God but put the ball in the hands of Mahomes.
The optimistic take is that the elements also magnified our warts and we had a whole bye week to fix them. They weren't on full display vs Oakland. We couldn't. I'm certain unless we get another extreme field or weather outlier, they will be on Sunday. We dabbled in a lot of things yesterday. We're hitting the gas next weekend.
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