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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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OKchiefs 08:10 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by BossChief:
These safeties we tried trading for (Thomas, Collins, haha) will be FAs in the offseason.

I’m sure we will sign one of them.
This is Brett Veach we're talking about. We had a huge need in the secondary before this year, and everyone with a brain knew it, yet he did nothing despite having plenty of affordable options. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to see an available Tre Boston or Kenny Vaccaro and have pulled the trigger.
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Marcellus 08:13 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
This is Brett Veach we're talking about. We had a huge need in the secondary before this year, and everyone with a brain knew it, yet he did nothing despite having plenty of affordable options. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to see an available Tre Boston or Kenny Vaccaro and have pulled the trigger.
You don't realize we didn't need safety help in the off season? This has been created by having 3 safeties, 2 of them our projected starters on IR.
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loochy 08:13 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Does nonstop bitching and complaining change any of that?
Nope. Does white knighting change any of that?
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Marcellus 08:15 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by loochy:
Nope. Does white knighting change any of that?
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:-) being reasonable = White knighting.

Nothing we do changes anything so no need to spend 24 hrs a day whining and crying about it.
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RunKC 08:15 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
This is Brett Veach we're talking about. We had a huge need in the secondary before this year, and everyone with a brain knew it, yet he did nothing despite having plenty of affordable options. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to see an available Tre Boston or Kenny Vaccaro and have pulled the trigger.
Eric Berry and Daniel Sorenson we’re both practicing n camp and then had injuries.

There isn’t a team in football that could lose multiple starting safeties and just be fine.

Look at the Falcons. They lost 2 safeties and it’s destroyed them.
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OKchiefs 08:19 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
You don't realize we didn't need safety help in the off season? This has been created by having 3 safeties, 2 of them our projected starters on IR.
An injury prone Eric Berry, a questionable Sorensen, rookie Watts, and complete waste of a roster spot in Murray is what you consider set at safety? Safety was a problem even at full strength. And unless I'm mistaken, Boston and/or Vaccaro were available when Sorensen got injured, and we still did nothing.
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BossChief 08:20 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
This is Brett Veach we're talking about. We had a huge need in the secondary before this year, and everyone with a brain knew it, yet he did nothing despite having plenty of affordable options. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to see an available Tre Boston or Kenny Vaccaro and have pulled the trigger.
Veach drafted a mid round safety, tradedcfor a corner and tried to sign another corner to an offer sheet. He also drafted a good DT, signed a good DT and signed a LB and drafted an edge guy that has been growing up in front of our eyes, if you know what to look for.
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OKchiefs 08:24 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Eric Berry and Daniel Sorenson we’re both practicing n camp and then had injuries.

There isn’t a team in football that could lose multiple starting safeties and just be fine.

Look at the Falcons. They lost 2 safeties and it’s destroyed them.
Again, we had a need at safety even before the injuries. With how often we operate out of nickle and dime we often use 3 safeties on the field. Our only depth was a raw rookie and Eric freaking Murray.

And when you consider that Veach largely ignored cornerback and the secondary, instead focusing on the front 7 in a bid to improve the run defense (but it got worse), his judgement is incredibly suspect.
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suzzer99 08:25 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by notorious:
Maybe the Chiefs are starting a new trend of saving your studs for the postseason.

Next thing you know there will be regular season starters and closers playing various positions.
It's a luxury most teams don't have for sure.
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Chiefsguyinri 08:34 AM 10-31-2018
Maybe Veach knew the offense would be a juggernaut that he figured why waste money on guys that will be overpaid when he could wait until better talent in free agency this year. They couldn't trade for Collins so maybe they will go after him in free agency without wasting a draft pick. The only way that this is an error on Veach is IF Berry doesn't come back and Sorensen is complete crap.
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King_Chief_Fan 08:38 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by Chiefsguyinri:
Maybe Veach knew the offense would be a juggernaut that he figured why waste money on guys that will be overpaid when he could wait until better talent in free agency this year. They couldn't trade for Collins so maybe they will go after him in free agency without wasting a draft pick. The only way that this is an error on Veach is IF Berry doesn't come back and Sorensen is complete crap.
Berry isnt coming back and I dont find Sorenson to be anyrhing but average
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RunKC 08:47 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Again, we had a need at safety even before the injuries. With how often we operate out of nickle and dime we often use 3 safeties on the field. Our only depth was a raw rookie and Eric freaking Murray.

And when you consider that Veach largely ignored cornerback and the secondary, instead focusing on the front 7 in a bid to improve the run defense (but it got worse), his judgement is incredibly suspect.
We had needs EVERYWHERE on defense. Literally every single fucking level man. We couldn’t stop the run, the pass, our LB’s were old, our safeties were old, our corners sucked.

It’s like you guys think Dorsey’s years of bad personnel decisions could be fixed in 1 offseason with no first rd pick.

And no. Tre Boston and Kenny Vacarro suck. They haven’t done shit for their teams. Jordan Lucas has been better.

If you want to point the finger, point it at Dorsey because Veach’s draft picks have actually flashed some potential so far.
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htismaqe 09:09 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
We had needs EVERYWHERE on defense. Literally every single fucking level man. We couldn’t stop the run, the pass, our LB’s were old, our safeties were old, our corners sucked.

It’s like you guys think Dorsey’s years of bad personnel decisions could be fixed in 1 offseason with no first rd pick.

And no. Tre Boston and Kenny Vacarro suck. They haven’t done shit for their teams. Jordan Lucas has been better.

If you want to point the finger, point it at Dorsey because Veach’s draft picks have actually flashed some potential so far.
"Flashed some potential".

Where is Titus? This needs to be added to the Lexicon.
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Pasta Little Brioni 09:10 AM 10-31-2018
Morons were sucking off how transparent Boss was :-) Dude was reportedly going to PLAY against KC week 1 :-) Cp is dumb
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ModSocks 09:54 AM 10-31-2018
So...today's the day, right boys?
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