Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Wear a mask.
Stay the **** away from each other at a distance of approximately 72 inches or greater.
Wash your filthy hands.
I'd add avoiding retail stores as much as possible. Order online and/or get delivery or curbside pickup as much as possible and practical. [Reply]
After all the studys linking Vit D deficiency to the mortality rates from Covid has anyone heard anything about these assisted living communities making sure they residents are supplementing with Vit D? Obviously those living in those spaces are least likely to be out exposed to sun light. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Fair enough. The only real problem is the social distancing. It's rather impractical and very hard to enforce in most places.
Just saying.
That's the one that's much more of a guideline.... yeah, it's not always possible, and it's not like passing by someone at Costco while wearing masks puts you at a high risk of catching anything.
But, being cognizant that it's one thing we can all do to help would go a long way.
Originally Posted by Pants:
I thought it to be obvious, but I think when someone says "take it seriously," they mean there's no longer a need to enforce anything because people are following those guidelines voluntarily. Because, you know, they're taking the pandemic seriously.
^this
Originally Posted by Donger:
I'd add avoiding retail stores as much as possible. Order online and/or get delivery or curbside pickup as much as possible and practical.
Good point... goes along with staying the fuck away from people, but just because things are open doesn't mean there aren't better alternatives. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
After all the studys linking Vit D deficiency to the mortality rates from Covid has anyone heard anything about these assisted living communities making sure they residents are supplementing with Vit D? Obviously those living in those spaces are least likely to be out exposed to sun light.
The correlation is there, but I'm not sure anyone's really determined whether it's causal. Or at least it's not clear if "people who have a natural vitamin D deficiency are more likely to have adverse effects" directly translates to "taking vitamin D will help."
At any rate, it probably wouldn't hurt, but it's not a 100% win either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
And I'm not saying this is right/wrong or otherwise. But 96 people under the age of 60 in Missouri have died from covid thus far out of a lot of cases.
I pay attention to the 30-39 bracket a lot because that's the age range I fall into.
There have been 4255 diagnosed cases and 4 deaths. You can do the percentages and see just how low that makes the risk factor appear.
Have there been some missed deaths in those numbers? I'd be willing to say yes,absolutely.
Have there been missed cases in those numbers? Once again, absolutely.
My parents are over 60, and I don't want this swirling around for years threatening them. Even if my parents were gone, I'd like to think I wouldn't be selfish enough to risk your parents' lives by taking this type of mindset. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
And I'm not saying this is right/wrong or otherwise. But 96 people under the age of 60 in Missouri have died from covid thus far out of a lot of cases.
I pay attention to the 30-39 bracket a lot because that's the age range I fall into.
There have been 4255 diagnosed cases and 4 deaths. You can do the percentages and see just how low that makes the risk factor appear.
Have there been some missed deaths in those numbers? I'd be willing to say yes,absolutely.
Have there been missed cases in those numbers? Once again, absolutely.
TLO it is not all about deaths, we have no idea what this does to us long term and with more and more people having long term symptoms I wouldn't want to chance it.
Originally Posted by sedated:
My parents are over 60, and I don't want this swirling around for years threatening them. Even if my parents were gone, I'd like to think I wouldn't be selfish enough to risk your parents' lives by taking this type of mindset.
I 100% agree. I personally take every precaution I can to keep myself and others safe. I'm just theorizing why we're seeing the younger population not taking precautions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
TLO it is not all about deaths, we have no idea what this does to us long term and with more and more people having long term symptoms I wouldn't want to chance it.
Just my .02 cents
I don't necessarily agree/disagree here. Yes there have been reports of long term damage, however those reports don't seem to make up the majority of people infected.
Long term complications can arise from a wide variety of disease.
I do however take your point, and will say again I know I'm only one person, but I'm doing my part as one of the "younger generation" to protect myself and others. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
TLO it is not all about deaths, we have no idea what this does to us long term and with more and more people having long term symptoms I wouldn't want to chance it.
Just my .02 cents
This is a small sample size - but something to consider
Originally Posted by :
>Because the CT manifestations of COVID-19 and influenza virus so often overlap, "even with the characteristics evaluated using AI software," Lin et al. wrote, "no significant differences were detected."
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
TLO it is not all about deaths, we have no idea what this does to us long term and with more and more people having long term symptoms I wouldn't want to chance it.
Just my .02 cents
I get where you're coming from, but planning for the worst-case is just as bad as planning for the best-case IMO. COULD there be long-term impacts? Sure. But we're not seeing evidence that that's HUGELY widespread. [Reply]