Oh and as a middle aged white guy, I agree with how we're often depicted, but hey, we have almost a century of visual media (ie tv and film) depicting us as the center of the universe and we've basically spent that entire time holding every other race and gender under our bootheel in Hollywood, so I can understand the pushback now. Like it or not, our cultural progenitors were the bad guy. It's come to Jesus time for the powerful racist, misogynistic white Hollywood overlords. Hopefully the scales balance relatively quickly and I don't spend the rest of my life being identified with the bad guys. But at this point, white dudes got zero business playing any victim cards. At all.
And here is the problem. A thing that shouldn't be political at this point (gay, lesbian, etc) has been hijacked by politics. People with a political agenda have hijacked a movement that just wanted people to be treated equal. Not better or special just equal.
Most importantly (to me) is it makes the product worse.
No one wants to see Kirk Cameron reboot He-Man and see that he's now fighting liberalism, high taxes, and spreading Christianity to all the heathens on his planet. That isn't what the story was about.
One of my favorite shows is Six Feet Under. One of the main characters is gay and that's a huge part of his character - being both gay and Catholic and the conflict there. In my opinion it's a great show.
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A reboot of Back To The Future where Marty is now gay and instead of having to keep time on track he travels back to promote transgender awareness and change the timeline so Trump (instead of Biff) isn't elected.
In short it's the difference between having a gay or lesbian character and completely changing the character to push an agenda... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
Full reboot, it has to be. Honestly with the deal moving so much more quickly than anyone anticipated, I'm not sure Dark Phoenix and New Mutants even come out.
I'm starting to think that as well. Now that the deal is on track I think they want "integration" as soon as possible without lowering the quality of the product to do so. Releasing Dark Phoenix (non-MCU product) now would only further confuse and delay the integration of those characters in the MCU.
The money has already been spent, the debt will be assumed, so why allow a product that may have a ton of conflicts with what you intend to do go out to audiences? [Reply]
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
I think this is where there's a disconnect. You can't turn somebody gay or straight or bi or any of the other multitude of sexual identities by 'promoting' sexuality in any way on screen. People are what they are. It's that simple, and the agenda, if it has to be said there is one, is to get society to the point where people are okay with that, and can accept each other for who we are. And I think it's less about having more gay people depicted, but making a few of the bigger characters something other than straight. And then not quickly killing them off, which is something that's happened with lesbian characters in particular over and over. And It's about having having characters who don't fit the traditional race/gender/sex binary who can eventualky grow to be more than just identified as 'that gay one'. You know, a competent hero who just happens to like different things than me (straight white dude). Where being different becomes less important than being the hero. That doesn't really happen much now in media and it's NOT in any way representative of the real world, where, 2% of the pop gay or not, a lot of important people are not straight.
I could talk more but I want bbq.
Oh and as a middle aged white guy, I agree with how we're often depicted, but hey, we have almost a century of visual media (ie tv and film) depicting us as the center of the universe and we've basically spent that entire time holding every other race and gender under our bootheel in Hollywood, so I can understand the pushback now. Like it or not, our cultural progenitors were the bad guy. It's come to Jesus time for the powerful racist, misogynistic white Hollywood overlords. Hopefully the scales balance relatively quickly and I don't spend the rest of my life being identified with the bad guys. But at this point, white dudes got zero business playing any victim cards. At all.
As for how men in general and/or bumbling dads are depicted, well...duh. Women are the target market. Of course we're portrayed as morons...
Oh, good Lord.
There is a reason why white people were depicted as the center of the universe.......
Because Hollywood was created, produced, written, and directed by white people.
Any group of people would have done the exact same thing. That fact is a human reality, and anyone with half a brain should understand that.
The effort to include others at a disproportionate ratio to reality should be enough to satisfy anyone's idea of unfair representation but that doesn't fit into the evil ol whitey perspective.
Evil ol Whitey goes out of his way on a pretty consistent basis to make sure everyone gets enjoy to enjoy the games he invents, pays for and brings to the world and all he does is catch hell for it.
Without whitey there is no Hollywood. Or football or basketball or.........America.
Sorry everyone for being such selfish assholes~whitey [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
I'm starting to think that as well. Now that the deal is on track I think they want "integration" as soon as possible without lowering the quality of the product to do so. Releasing Dark Phoenix (non-MCU product) now would only further confuse and delay the integration of those characters in the MCU.
The money has already been spent, the debt will be assumed, so why allow a product that may have a ton of conflicts with what you intend to do go out to audiences?
After they finish up with the Infinity War storyline, maybe they can introduce some variation of the latest Secret Wars storyline? That would absolutely let them remake the MCU into anything they want regarding all the properties being under one roof (as it always should have been). It wouldn't be easy, especially the way they've depicted Doom in the movies so far, but it would be fun to watch... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rausch:
I'm starting to think that as well. Now that the deal is on track I think they want "integration" as soon as possible without lowering the quality of the product to do so. Releasing Dark Phoenix (non-MCU product) now would only further confuse and delay the integration of those characters in the MCU.
The money has already been spent, the debt will be assumed, so why allow a product that may have a ton of conflicts with what you intend to do go out to audiences?
Yeah, since I posted that I've only become more convinced, it just doesn't make any sense to put those movies out. Especially because the rumor is Dark Phoenix is not great and New Mutants is a Fant4stic-level disaster. They can dump them on the Disney app in a few years once the MCU X-Men are established. [Reply]
Bets one yet of the Marvel universe. I think one of the reason why it worked so well is that the good guys didn't always win, the fight scenes were mostly done well. [Reply]
I would agree, but the thing that makes me wonder is the Banner angle. Banner has no memory of being on Sakaar for two years as Hulk, but immediately tells Strange and Co. in the Sanctorum that Thanos is coming as soon as he reverts back from Hulk? I'd say chances aren't that great, especially since they made such a production of telling us how Loki was dead and gone forever, but I wouldn't be shocked. And, that's not mentioning how Valkyrie, Korg, and half the Asgardians aren't among the destroyed ship, either. Hulk probably wanted to hang with his girl Valkyrie if she was put in charge of protecting the other half of the survivors..... [Reply]
