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Fantasy/CasinoPlanet>Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs
Rain Man 12:15 AM 03-22-2009
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.


Spoiler!

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

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Rain Man 11:46 PM 04-07-2013
Never mind. We've always had the option to keep cut players. I'll go back and correct my previous post about releasing players.
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patteeu 09:02 AM 04-08-2013
Originally Posted by wazu:
I'm good with that.
Me too.
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patteeu 09:05 AM 04-08-2013
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
As prep for the draft, changes to everyone's rosters so far due to free agency are as follows. Lots of changes this offseason.

Trades

Option to trade a 2nd this year and a future pick for QB Alex Smith. Prior to the draft, report whether you accept or reject this trade.
I'm accepting that trade.
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Rain Man 06:53 PM 04-09-2013
Originally Posted by patteeu:
I'm accepting that trade.
I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.
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patteeu 08:26 PM 04-09-2013
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.
I don't really know what to do about free agents. I don't particularly want to monitor all of my "foreign" players for whether they leave through free agency or get cut/traded from their teams. As for Chiefs free agents, I could go either way. I agree that we shouldn't get both the free agent and the compensatory pick.
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wazu 10:24 PM 04-09-2013
I, too, am accepting the trade.

*Runs over to the corner of the room and pukes his guts out.*
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wazu 10:30 PM 04-09-2013
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.
I'm good with this. Really, we are starting to get deep enough into this game that drafts will mean everything. If get so good at drafting that people look at our teams and think it's impossible salary-cap wise, then we can adjust.

And I think the honor system holds true. There are only 3 of us. We can look back and see who we drafted. If I passed on Baldwin, but he blows up, I won't claim to have him on my roster. There's no point. I just want to have some fun with this and see it continue to evolve.
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Rain Man 10:20 PM 04-10-2013
Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.
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wazu 10:22 PM 04-10-2013
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.
You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.
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Rain Man 10:21 AM 04-13-2013
Originally Posted by wazu:
You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.
I can only shake my head. And they cut Winston. I don't get it. However, since he hasn't signed with anyone yet perhaps we can assume that there's a problem that we don't know about.

Edit: I guess we all lose Glenn Dorsey this year, too. Have we had anyone else walk? Oh, yeah. Brady Quinn. Anyone else?

Dorsey hurts me because he and Toribio are my only true tackles. Alex Carrington plays there a little, but he's not really a tackle. If Da'Quan Bowers ever comes back and justifies my first-round pick I'd like to go with a 4-3, but it's hard to do that when you have no defensive tackles. I think I may be stocking up on DTs in this draft.
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Rain Man 12:46 PM 04-13-2013
Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.
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patteeu 07:38 PM 04-13-2013
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.
That's fine with me.
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wazu 06:11 AM 04-15-2013
I'm good with the new trade rule.
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Rain Man 10:17 AM 04-15-2013
(Banging gavel.) Okay, new trade rule is in.
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Rain Man 05:28 PM 04-20-2013
Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.
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