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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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DaFace 05:22 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Okay, now we are starting to see some serious case number increase:

1,629 yesterday
2,726 today
The question is just whether it's driven by people becoming ill or just better testing.
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FlintHillsChiefs 05:23 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
You realize that swine flu stat was the final score, and we’re in the first quarter of the Covid game? That Covid is highly contagious and its infection rate increases exponentially? It doesn’t go 1, 2, 3, 4 ... It goes 1, 2, 4, 16, 32 ...

The fear isn’t that it’s the Andromeda Strain and people will drop dead in the streets. It’s that infections will explode and overwhelm the health care system. We’re trying to slow the infection rate — “bend the curve.”
It's more like we're 2 minutes into the first qtr than being a 4th of the way through the game.

There's an animated timeline graph out there that shows why Covid-19 is more dangerous than SARS even though SARS has a higher mortality rate. The infection rate of Covid-19 due to the asymptomatic contagiousness, long incubation time, and long period of recovery that requires hospitalization for two weeks makes this especially insidious and dangerous for healthcare systems even if it's mortality rates are a "pedestrian" 1-3.5% compared to more lethal pathogens that tend to burn bright, but burn out quickly.
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suzzer99 05:23 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You aren't going to get Prevnar-13 (whose efficacy is dubious) or PPSV-23 unless you're immunocompromised if you're under 65.
From the comments that article might be fake. I deleted my post. I’m going to be more careful and not post any more linked in articles w/o confirming.
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Donger 05:24 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
The question is just whether it's driven by people becoming ill or just better testing.
Both, I would imagine.
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O.city 05:24 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Calling it like I see it. Watching the run on the grocery stores this week was super telling.
That happens before every snow storm too
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O.city 05:27 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
The CDC does not recommend that adults without comorbidities or immune suppression get pneumonia vaccinations- they are part of regular childhood vaccination protocols.
https://twitter.com/laoneill111/stat...787006466?s=21

What are your thoughts on this?
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suzzer99 05:27 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
What are you basing this on?
This is the 2 month mmwr from the CDC about 2 months in H1N1


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmw...827a4.htmApril 2009, CDC reported the first two cases in the United States of human infection with a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus (1). As of July 6, a total of 122 countries had reported 94,512 cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, 429 of which were fatal; in the United States, a total of 33,902 cases were reported, 170 of which were*fatal."


Another piece of data
CDC estimates that between about 2,500 and 6,000 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April and October 17, 2009. The mid-level in this range is about 3,900 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

Later on we determine that it killed a lot more people than we thought.
That seems to be the current message making the rounds. First this was just the flu. Now it’s less bad than the swine flu. When CV blows past swine flu it will be something else.
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Raiderhater 05:28 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
What are you basing this on?
This is the 2 month mmwr from the CDC about 2 months in H1N1


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmw...827a4.htmApril 2009, CDC reported the first two cases in the United States of human infection with a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus (1). As of July 6, a total of 122 countries had reported 94,512 cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, 429 of which were fatal; in the United States, a total of 33,902 cases were reported, 170 of which were*fatal."


Another piece of data
CDC estimates that between about 2,500 and 6,000 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April and October 17, 2009. The mid-level in this range is about 3,900 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

Later on we determine that it killed a lot more people than we thought.

Im basing it on the fact that, fatality wise, the swine flu affected everyone and the corona virus is affecting only the elderly.
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Kiimo 05:29 PM 03-14-2020
https://innovationorigins.com/dutch-...irus-antibody/


Originally Posted by :
Dutch researchers find Corona virus antibody



The summary talks about an antibody against SARS2, the corona virus. The antibody may help detect and prevent this form of corona infection. This would therefore make the active antibody a world premiere.

The antibody still has to be tested on human beings and this will take a few months. .....

“We are now trying to get a pharmaceutical company on board -that’s looking good, by the way – which can mass-produce the antibody as a medicine on a large scale. …This is the very first antibody that we know of that will block the infection

And there is a good chance that this will also become a medicine that reaches the market. If this is taken by a patient, then it is expected that the infection can be stopped in that patient. So, the patient will have a chance of recovery.”

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Raiderhater 05:30 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by sedated:
And yet 3 major European countries are on lockdown having closed everything but grocery stores and pharmacies, after it got much worse than here.
Did these three countries ban travel to and from China?
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Raiderhater 05:32 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
H1N1 R0 was 1.4 to 1.6. This is higher based on the data we have so far, around 2.2

The mortality rate was also well less than 1%. This bug is around 3% so far.

The precautions being taken based on those numbers aren't an over-reaction.
Is that mortality rate world wide or just here in America?
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Discuss Thrower 05:34 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
That happens before every snow storm too
Remember how long it took for Springfield to get back online after the 2007 ice storm?
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Raiderhater 05:37 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by SupDock:
I think I will listen to the people in charge of these things instead.
That’s your prerogative. But the “experts” have been wrong many times through out history. I see no harm in questioning them. In fact, I believe it to be quite healthy to throw out counter ideas. That is actually how we learn new things, by questioning the official line.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 05:37 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/laoneill111/stat...787006466?s=21

What are your thoughts on this?
Remdesevir is the best shot. There is thought that IL-6 contributes to mortality in sepsis. Tocilizumab's MOA is inhibition of IL-6, but as a biologic it is going to be far too difficult to scale production and would only help sequelae. Chloroquine and Plaquenil have been used in limited cases, and are likely working by reduction of inflammatory response.

The protease inhibitors could work if the viral protease is similar to HIV's, but all work has been in vitro at this point. Much different than trying in humans.
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FlintHillsChiefs 05:38 PM 03-14-2020
Originally Posted by Raiderhader:
Is that mortality rate world wide or just here in America?
Resolved cases rates are hovering around 6% worldwide. That's deaths divided by recoveries. Overall death rates were around 3.5%, but thats problematic because we have a divisor issue. There's no way to tell how many people have it currently. The issue is the load placed on the healthcare system and the secondary and preventable deaths that will cause that wouldn't be an issue in normal circumstances. America has about 2.8 beds per thousand people, and not all of those beds are in hospitals equipped to handle novel and high contagious diseases like Covid-19. Last I checked there are about 200 Trauma I hospitals in the US, and another 200 Trauma II hospitals. These are the hospitals that will be bearing the brunt of the cases. Here's an issue, though - those beds are already running at about 40-60% capacity. So we've got room for maybe 300-500k cases nationwide before shit hits the fan.
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