Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
And the procurement of that meat causes secondary bacterial spread through the aforementioned mechanisms. Even properly cooked bushmeat can lead to zoonotic transmission, as it's often about contact itself, not just preparation.
Great. The responsible path seems clear. Not that it'll be taken. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Sorry if this has been posted already. It's hard to keep up. Some really good, albeit scary information in this article.
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You aren't going to get Prevnar-13 (whose efficacy is dubious) or PPSV-23 unless you're immunocompromised if you're under 65.
Originally Posted by Frazod:
I don't know the specifics, and this happened about 10 years ago. I obviously wasn't there and never personally spoke to any of the quacks that treated her. All I know is that she was misdiagnosed and suffered terribly for a long period of time because of it. They were so fixated on the wrong thing that everything else was ignored.
This happened to us at Tarzana Children's Hospital in 2018.
My daughter complained of her lower right abdomen hurting badly and I knew exactly the cause. I stayed home to take care of the doggies and our youngest daughter while I my wife took her to the ER. Well, it was the "wrong" ER because the closest hospital doesn't treat children. So she had to take an ambulance to Tarzana, where she was monitored all night.
For the record, my mom had her appendix removed at age 16. Mine was removed at 17, my much younger sister's burst at age 10 (although she survived) and my youngest brother's was removed at age 36.
Even after the CT and other scans, the doctors weren't sure what was causing her issue. Since I had to take care of our youngest and our dogs (this was just before they passed) I didn't get to the hospital until around 10am the next day. The surgeon hadn't arrived at that point, so I spoke to the attending nurse and told her about our health history regarding appendicitis.
The doctor ordered another scan and this time, they saw leaking from her upper intestine and thought that was the issue. When the surgeon arrived, I told her about our family history and pleaded her to remove the appendix when repairing the upper colon. She said "I'll take a look but appendicitis isn't genetic".
50 minutes later, the doctor came into the waiting room and said "You were correct: It was her appendix, which I removed. It became so inflamed that it "flipped" her upper intestine over, which caused the leaking we saw. We couldn't see the appendix inflamed on any of the scans but it was obviously the culprit".
In my experience, it's always best tell the doctor about any family history or any "intuition" because try as they may, doctors are hardly infallible. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You aren't going to get Prevnar-13 (whose efficacy is dubious) or PPSV-23 unless you're immunocompromised if you're under 65.
There are a lot of conditions that qualify you for ppsv-23 before age 65. Cigarette smoking alone qualifies you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
sure people die in ICU’s. Your in an ICU. Something bad is happening health wise with you. I was just saying that if your already on a vent, the COPD wouldn’t be the cause to lose the step-dad post op. Sorry for any confusion.
Hes been removed from the ventilator. He actually was able to come off of it on the 2nd day.
Im not sure I understand what you are saying. That if he were to get the coronavirus it wouldn't kill him? If he was on a ventilator the coronavirus wouldn't exacerbate the COPD? Even people that get put on a ventilator still die from this. His heart and lungs just went through the stresses of surgery and then when you take into account that he has severe emphysema, heart failure with reduced ejection fraction, and a. fib with rvr, if he were to get the Coronavirus, then his condition would rapidly deteriorate.
That is why these hospitals need to have more strict rules and better guidelines into place. They make a big stink about wearing your mask to possibly prevent spreading the flu, but theyre not going to require the people taking care of the most sick/vulnerable patients to wear masks.
The hospital put in all kinds of stupid guidelines, but none of the guidelines will stop anything. [Reply]
So I see cities and China were on total lockdown they've separated disinfected shit all over and Chinas death rate has dropped. Why can't we do that here? It seems as though we have no plan other than telling people to wash their hands. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
This happened to us at Tarzana Children's Hospital in 2018.
My daughter complained of her lower right abdomen hurting badly and I knew exactly the cause. I stayed home to take care of the doggies and our youngest daughter while I my wife took her to the ER. Well, it was the "wrong" ER because the closest hospital doesn't treat children. So she had to take an ambulance to Tarzana, where she was monitored all night.
For the record, my mom had her appendix removed at age 16. Mine was removed at 17, my much younger sister's burst at age 10 (although she survived) and my youngest brother's was removed at age 36.
Even after the CT and other scans, the doctors weren't sure what was causing her issue. Since I had to take care of our youngest and our dogs (this was just before they passed) I didn't get to the hospital until around 10am the next day. The surgeon hadn't arrived at that point, so I spoke to the attending nurse and told her about our health history regarding appendicitis.
The doctor ordered another scan and this time, they saw leaking from her upper intestine and thought that was the issue. When the surgeon arrived, I told her about our family history and pleaded her to remove the appendix when repairing the upper colon. She said "I'll take a look but appendicitis isn't genetic".
50 minutes later, the doctor came into the waiting room and said "You were correct: It was her appendix, which I removed. It became so inflamed that it "flipped" her upper intestine over, which caused the leaking we saw. We couldn't see the appendix inflamed on any of the scans but it was obviously the culprit".
In my experience, it's always best tell the doctor about any family history or any "intuition" because try as they may, doctors are hardly infallible.
Wow. I'm glad you stuck to your guns and they listened to you.
In my cousin's case, I don't think there was a family history of it, at least none that I know of. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
So I see cities and China were on total lockdown they've separated disinfected shit all over and Chinas death rate has dropped. Why can't we do that here? It seems as though we have no plan other than telling people to wash their hands.
I think we're still in denial about how bad it'll get. I'll admit that even I have trouble believing that we'll get anywhere near the worst case scenarios, but there are certainly some troubling trends that this could get ugly. [Reply]