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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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In58men 11:02 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:

Eric Berry has been close since week 1
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dirk digler 11:02 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:


oops I guess I mis understood him. The question was this was Dan's first week to be able to come back and I thought he said he would be start practicing but guess not

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DJ's left nut 11:06 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:
Fuck that. June 1st cut next season and get the fuck out from under his contract.
My question is what the hell causes a Haglund's deformity and is it obviously football related?

I'm seriously tired of pussy-footing around this guy. We already donated $6 million to the guy to which he promptly responded with a 'fuck you' and a refusal to report to camp come contract time. We already buckled under when his representation launched an underhanded PR campaign to get him paid.

Fuck this noise. If there is any chance this was naturally occurring or a result of his cancer treatments, throw his ass on the NFI list, stop paying him and make him fucking prove this is a football injury. If that means experts and arbitrators, so be it.

Yeah, the Chiefs will get goddamn murdered for it in the press and Clark doesn't have the stomach for that, but they've caved to this guy at every single turn and have never gotten a sufficient ROI for it. And anyone that dares point out that he's been worth about 40% of what he's been paid over the life of his NFL career is just some heartless asshole or something.
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patteeu 11:07 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
My question is what the hell causes a Haglund's deformity and is it obviously football related?

I'm seriously tired of pussy-footing around this guy. We already donated $6 million to the guy to which he promptly responded with a 'fuck you' and a refusal to report to camp come contract time. We already buckled under when his representation launched an underhanded PR campaign to get him paid.

Fuck this noise. If there is any chance this was naturally occurring or a result of his cancer treatments, throw his ass on the NFI list, stop paying him and make him fucking prove this is a football injury. If that means experts and arbitrators, so be it.

Yeah, the Chiefs will get goddamn murdered for it in the press and Clark doesn't have the stomach for that, but they've caved to this guy at every single turn and have never gotten a sufficient ROI for it. And anyone that dares point out that he's been worth about 40% of what he's been paid over the life of his NFL career is just some heartless asshole or something.
Sounds good to me.
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The Franchise 11:08 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
My question is what the hell causes a Haglund's deformity and is it obviously football related?

I'm seriously tired of pussy-footing around this guy. We already donated $6 million to the guy to which he promptly responded with a 'fuck you' and a refusal to report to camp come contract time. We already buckled under when his representation launched an underhanded PR campaign to get him paid.

Fuck this noise. If there is any chance this was naturally occurring or a result of his cancer treatments, throw his ass on the NFI list, stop paying him and make him fucking prove this is a football injury. If that means experts and arbitrators, so be it.

Yeah, the Chiefs will get goddamn murdered for it in the press and Clark doesn't have the stomach for that, but they've caved to this guy at every single turn and have never gotten a sufficient ROI for it. And anyone that dares point out that he's been worth about 40% of what he's been paid over the life of his NFL career is just some heartless asshole or something.
I'm all for it. Berry has always been a top 3 favorite Chief of mine for a while now but shit like this is dropping him down the list. If the pain is so fucking bad that you can't go out there and push through it.....then admit it and get the surgery done. Quit fucking around with this "day to day" bullshit so that you keep getting paid and taking up a roster spot.
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RunKC 11:09 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
My question is what the hell causes a Haglund's deformity and is it obviously football related?

I'm seriously tired of pussy-footing around this guy. We already donated $6 million to the guy to which he promptly responded with a '**** you' and a refusal to report to camp come contract time. We already buckled under when his representation launched an underhanded PR campaign to get him paid.

**** this noise. If there is any chance this was naturally occurring or a result of his cancer treatments, throw his ass on the NFI list, stop paying him and make him ****ing prove this is a football injury. If that means experts and arbitrators, so be it.

Yeah, the Chiefs will get goddamn murdered for it in the press and Clark doesn't have the stomach for that, but they've caved to this guy at every single turn and have never gotten a sufficient ROI for it. And anyone that dares point out that he's been worth about 40% of what he's been paid over the life of his NFL career is just some heartless asshole or something.
The worst part is he is due to have a cap hit of $16.5 million next season. I don’t care if he comes back and plays decently well.

He shouldn’t be making that after missing 21 of 22 games into his new contract.
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RunKC 11:11 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:
I'm all for it. Berry has always been a top 3 favorite Chief of mine for a while now but shit like this is dropping him down the list. If the pain is so ****ing bad that you can't go out there and push through it.....then admit it and get the surgery done. Quit ****ing around with this "day to day" bullshit so that you keep getting paid and taking up a roster spot.
Part of me thinks it’s Andy and the staff. No reason to have him back yet. We are most likely winning at least 12 games this season.

I would imagine they want him back in late November or early December to play a handful of games to get in game shape and be ready for a push in January.
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mikeyis4dcats. 11:13 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
My question is what the hell causes a Haglund's deformity and is it obviously football related?

I'm seriously tired of pussy-footing around this guy. We already donated $6 million to the guy to which he promptly responded with a '**** you' and a refusal to report to camp come contract time. We already buckled under when his representation launched an underhanded PR campaign to get him paid.

**** this noise. If there is any chance this was naturally occurring or a result of his cancer treatments, throw his ass on the NFI list, stop paying him and make him ****ing prove this is a football injury. If that means experts and arbitrators, so be it.

Yeah, the Chiefs will get goddamn murdered for it in the press and Clark doesn't have the stomach for that, but they've caved to this guy at every single turn and have never gotten a sufficient ROI for it. And anyone that dares point out that he's been worth about 40% of what he's been paid over the life of his NFL career is just some heartless asshole or something.

it could potentially be related to footwear.
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The Franchise 11:13 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Part of me thinks it’s Andy and the staff. No reason to have him back yet. We are most likely winning at least 12 games this season.

I would imagine they want him back in late November or early December to play a handful of games to get in game shape and be ready for a push in January.
Then everyone involved in this is fucked in the head. Berry isn't going to just come back after being out this long and just be ready to go.
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scho63 11:15 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:

The kiss of death with Chiefs health update!

He is probably "close" to becoming a cheerleader with Berry. :-)

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htismaqe 11:17 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by The Pest:
Then everyone involved in this is fucked in the head. Berry isn't going to just come back after being out this long and just be ready to go.
Exactly. If that's the plan, it's a bad one.
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staylor26 11:34 AM 10-17-2018
Man this D could really use Sorenson.

I think people are underestimating what his return alone can do.
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The Franchise 11:36 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Man this D could really use Sorenson.

I think people are underestimating what his return alone can do.
At this point....any safety help would be beneficial to this defense.
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DJ's left nut 11:37 AM 10-17-2018
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Man this D could really use Sorenson.

I think people are underestimating what his return alone can do.
I think we win that game with Sorenson on the field. He's not elite but he's solid. Have him ott there and move Lucas to Parker's role and we get the one damn stop we'd have needed.
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The Franchise 11:39 AM 10-17-2018
This defense is so bad that it's making me miss Dan fucking Sorensen. Jesus Christ.
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