Originally Posted by Hiko:
If you are a Chiefs fan and you think the Browns won’t score at least 30 you are naive. They have both a strong running game and passing game. When they’re not hampered by 40 mph winds or losing their entire WR corps the night before the game they will drop 30 on anyone. They put 48 on the Steelers. They put 42 on the Ravens. They put 41 on the Titans. They put 32 on the Colts. What you saw last Sunday is not a fluke. They start strong. Expect it.
They will also give up a sht-ton of points. They get out to leads and then try to hang on and a lot of the time they have but gaddam I wish they would just blow teams out. It will cost them eventually and I - unfortunately - think that’s coming this week.
KC, as much as I like them (Schottenheimer and Reid are two of my favorite coaches and Kansas City is a severely underrated town), seems to only get interested after they’ve gotten punched, so what I see is an early double-digit Browns lead followed by a flurry of points against a sht D and something like a 45-41 final score in favor of the Chiefs.
And if we lose then I ain’t gonna go full bytch about it like the Steelers fans - kick the sht out of Buffalo or (especially) Baltimore.
Best of luck on Sunday mate. Hopefully both teams get through it injury free. Cleveland has a very good team and a great fanbase. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hiko:
If you are a Chiefs fan and you think the Browns won’t score at least 30 you are naive. They have both a strong running game and passing game. When they’re not hampered by 40 mph winds or losing their entire WR corps the night before the game they will drop 30 on anyone. They put 48 on the Steelers. They put 42 on the Ravens. They put 41 on the Titans. They put 32 on the Colts. What you saw last Sunday is not a fluke. They start strong. Expect it.
They will also give up a sht-ton of points. They get out to leads and then try to hang on and a lot of the time they have but gaddam I wish they would just blow teams out. It will cost them eventually and I - unfortunately - think that’s coming this week.
KC, as much as I like them (Schottenheimer and Reid are two of my favorite coaches and Kansas City is a severely underrated town), seems to only get interested after they’ve gotten punched, so what I see is an early double-digit Browns lead followed by a flurry of points against a sht D and something like a 45-41 final score in favor of the Chiefs.
And if we lose then I ain’t gonna go full bytch about it like the Steelers fans - kick the sht out of Buffalo or (especially) Baltimore.
The Chiefs gave up 40 points once. They gave up 31 points twice. Two of those 3 games were against the division rival Raiders.
In their other 12 games (not counting the scrimmage to end the season), they held their opponents under 30 points TWELVE times.
The held the:
Buffalo Bills (31.3ppg) to 17 points.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (30.8ppg) to 24 points.
New Orleans Saints (30.1ppg) to 29 points.
Baltimore Ravens (29.3ppg) to 20 points. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Wins: KC 14 out of 15-Cleveland 11
Losses to NYJ: KC 0-Cleveland 1
well if your banking on on all the browns pass catchers getting put on the covid list as they are boarding the plane to KC less than 24 hours from game time the jets game might be something to look at. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mav:
We can only play, who is on our schedule....the key is that with the exception of the Jets, we beat every team we should have. The Browns were not supposed to be here this year. But we are.
"With the exception of the Jets"
You know when you lose to a 2-win team the way the Browns did, it's kind of disingenuous to just sweep it under the rug, right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
well if your banking on on all the browns pass catchers getting put on the covid list as they are boarding the plane to KC less than 24 hours from game time the jets game might be something to look at. :-)
Just stop.
You can't use the WR excuse when your head coach flat out abandoned the running game and threw the ball 50 times KNOWING that he was missing those WR's.
Cleveland could have, you know, played to their actual strengths and probably won the game.
Instead, they tried to do something against the grain and got beat. Out coached. Period. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
"With the exception of the Jets"
You know when you lose to a 2-win team the way the Browns did, it's kind of disingenuous to just sweep it under the rug, right?
yea im not sure what was up with the jets game. they beat the rams another playoff team at full strength the week before.
just take Kelce, hill, watkins, hardman, robinson off the chiefs and bring 2 WR's off the practice squad mahomes has never thrown to and try and run your offense with 2 active WR against a top 5 run D. [Reply]
You can't use the WR excuse when your head coach flat out abandoned the running game and threw the ball 50 times KNOWING that he was missing those WR's.
Cleveland could have, you know, played to their actual strengths and probably won the game.
Instead, they tried to do something against the grain and got beat. Out coached. Period.
dont be lost you seem pretty smart. the jets can stop the run they were loading the box so much the browns were averaging like 1 ypc in the first half and daring them to throw.
the jets game will have nothing to do with sundays game you cant take anything away from it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
dont be lost you seem pretty smart. the jets can stop the run they were loading the box so much the browns were averaging like 1 ypc in the first half and daring them to throw.
the jets game will have nothing to do with sundays game you cant take anything away from it.
As I said, stop. You're just digging yourself a bigger hole.
The Jets did NOT stack the box. In fact, the Cleveland Browns were the only team in Week 16 that didn't face a single stacked box - not even ONE.
Originally Posted by :
It was simple. All the Browns needed to do to get into the postseason was beat a one-win Jets team with nothing to play for. Even after the Browns lost most of their receiving corps to the reserve/COVID-19 list on Saturday, Cleveland was a heavy favorite. A Jets team without star defensive lineman Quinnen Williams was supposed to be an easy target. With the Browns riding a wave of positive momentum after winning five of their previous six games, this was supposed to be the day the pain ended.
Instead, the Browns were awful. They fell down 20-3 in the third quarter to Sam Darnold & Co. before launching a comeback. For the second straight week, Cody Parkey hit the upright, this time with an extra point try. A red-hot Baker Mayfield could do little against one of the league's worst pass defenses, going 28-of-53 for just 285 yards. He was strip-sacked in the fourth quarter to set the Jets up with a field goal and then fumbled on a fourth-and-1 sneak to end the game.
One of the first things that popped up in the postmortems of the Browns' loss is that number of pass attempts. Why on earth did a team starting unknowns and waiver-wire acquisitions at wide receiver throw the ball 53 times? In part, it was because the Browns did nothing running the football in this game. Missing starting linemen Jedrick Wills Jr. and Wyatt Teller, they ran the ball 18 times for just 45 yards, including nine carries for a mere 4 yards in the first half.
When I went to look at the numbers, my assumption was that the Jets sold out to stop the run and dared the Browns to throw, with Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt struggling against loaded defensive boxes. That also wasn't the case. According to NFL Next Gen Stats, the Browns didn't run into a single box all game where they had more defenders than blockers, the only team in the league in Week 16 to avoid doing so. The Jets, meanwhile, ran into boxes with a numbers disadvantage a league-high 64.7% of the time.
The Browns just weren't good at creating running lanes Sunday. Mayfield also wasn't very accurate, posting a minus-12.1% CPOE across his 53 pass attempts. Cleveland was a mess on early downs and ended up in third-and-9 or more eight times. Only one of those third downs produced a conversion, when Marvin Hall drew a pass interference penalty. Mayfield was strip-sacked for the second time in the game on one of those third-and-longs, with those turnovers producing 10 Jets points. The Browns aren't built to win on third-and-long, and they're really not going to do so when they're down Odell Beckham Jr., Jarvis Landry and most of their wideout depth chart.
As a result, the Browns find themselves in a vulnerable position. Near-locks a week ago, their playoff odds have fallen to 53%, per ESPN's Football Power Index. They can get in by beating the Steelers in Week 17, but if they lose, things get messy. Cleveland would need the Jaguars to beat the Colts to win in one scenario. If that doesn't happen, the Texans would need to beat the Titans while the Dolphins beat the Bills and the Ravens beat the Bengals. The organization's first 10-win season since 2007 suddenly seems much less appealing.
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
As I said, stop. You're just digging yourself a bigger hole.
The Jets did NOT stack the box. In fact, the Cleveland Browns were the only team in Week 16 that didn't face a single stacked box - not even ONE.
ok they were aggressively playing the run downhill and playing single coverage on the WR's they were practice squad players . they were averaging 2.5 ypc for the game you want them to just keep running and going 3 and out?
idk why your so hung up on 1 game when the browns were missing a ton of players. [Reply]
Granted, should not lose to the Jets. But, they held Rams and Browns RBs to a total 104 yards in successive wins. Browns were getting to know their WRs (7,8,9,10 on the chart) the morning of the game in a hotel parking lot? Pretty extreme.
It is what it was, it ain't no more, and has nothing to do with Sunday. [Reply]
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
ok they were aggressively playing the run downhill and playing single coverage on the WR's they were practice squad players . they were averaging 2.5 ypc for the game you want them to just keep running and going 3 and out?
idk why your so hung up on 1 game when the browns were missing a ton of players.
Originally Posted by DawgDays:
Granted, should not lose to the Jets. But, they held Rams and Browns RBs to a total 104 yards in successive wins. Browns were getting to know their WRs (7,8,9,10 on the chart) the morning of the game in a hotel parking lot? Pretty extreme.
It is what it was, it ain't no more, and has nothing to do with Sunday.
Yeah, the fact that your coach is willing to completely abandon tendencies and go with a strategy they hadn't really used all year, with 4 new WR's no less, is irrelevant.
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
well if your banking on on all the browns pass catchers getting put on the covid list as they are boarding the plane to KC less than 24 hours from game time the jets game might be something to look at. :-)
And yet Browns fans here have had no problem including the week 17 game against the Chargers in their analyses of the Chiefs. When a team has no incentive whatsoever to win, and in fact actually has incentive to lose, and that team rests many of its starters, you can't include that game in any serious look at its prospects in the playoffs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
ok they were aggressively playing the run downhill and playing single coverage on the WR's they were practice squad players . they were averaging 2.5 ypc for the game you want them to just keep running and going 3 and out?
idk why your so hung up on 1 game when the browns were missing a ton of players.
Because what they actually DID when missing a ton of players says a lot about how they react to adversity.
As was explained previously, teams tend to do weird things when they play the Chiefs, like go for it on 4th down in their own territory, onside kick at strange times, and run fake punts.
Those things almost ALWAYS backfire.
Your team, and your coach, broke tendency against the 2-win Jets and LOST. You don't think there's a chance they do the same thing in the high pressure playoffs, against a team that's favored by more than a TD?
