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The Dumbass Lounge>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

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Pants 02:00 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
The Germans just spread world wars, not viruses.
:-)

I kinda wish they had won WWI sometimes. Don't you?
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Donger 02:00 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
:-)

I kinda wish they had won WWI sometimes. Don't you?
Ummmmm, no.
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DJ's left nut 02:01 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by RINGLEADER:
I think it is totally fair if people believe that the Chinese hid the scale and reality of this for as long as they did and that led to the problem being worse than it should have been. You can go back and read stories from December about something being loose but the Chinese authorities saying affirmatively that it wasnít spreading person to person.

If it was the Germans who did the same thing then it would be fair to be upset at the Germans.

At some point someone is going to try to hold the Chinese government accountable. Will be interesting to see what happens.
I saw someone that said "hey, y'know all that US debt that the Chinese hold? Tell 'em to fuck themselves...."

I mean, I know in my heart of hearts that this is wildly simplistic and ultimately not a real answer for a variety of reasons. I mean, the major reason being that we had ostensibly told them to go fuck themselves WELL before this. If China decided to call all their notes due, we'd have just told 'em "nah, you can come take it..."

But still - it's a cathartic thought.

Ultimately China had better tread real lightly for the foreseeable future. It wouldn't take much of a catalyst for the whole world to simultaneously decide that a regime change is in order. At this point even Russia wouldn't bother stepping in the middle.
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Mecca 02:01 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Ummmmm, no.
You'd be enjoying a weinerschnitzel right now.
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petegz28 02:01 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
On a relatively good news front:

According to Cuomo, 1,167 COVID patients were discharged yesterday and 1,297 were admitted.

So only 130 more people admitted to the hospital than were discharged.

Moreover, at present there are 12,226 people admitted when IMHE - Murray model released a mere 6 days ago that we're basing so many of these those dire projections off of said NYC would be at 50K by now. 3,000 ICU patients in NYC vs 10K projected.

Again, that was a model released 6 days ago that ASSUMED continued social distancing through the end of May.

We're just whipping the wheel back and forth based on 'models' that are absolutely useless with 72 hours of being counted on for policy decisions. It's completely nutty.

Agreed. I don't fault officials for erring on the side of caution but yeah, when a model is pretty much failed 3 days after it is made then the model is bad or the numbers put into it, etc. were done to achieve a particular output.

Let the data determine the facts not the other way around.
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Chief Roundup 02:01 PM 04-01-2020
Getting a little political in here.
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Donger 02:02 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
You'd be enjoying a weinerschnitzel right now.
Is it Friday already!?
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Mecca 02:02 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I saw someone that said "hey, y'know all that US debt that the Chinese hold? Tell 'em to fuck themselves...."

I mean, I know in my heart of hearts that this is wildly simplistic and ultimately not a real answer for a variety of reasons. I mean, the major reason being that we had ostensibly told them to go fuck themselves WELL before this. If China decided to call all their notes due, we'd have just told 'em "nah, you can come take it..."

But still - it's a cathartic thought.

Ultimately China had better tread real lightly for the foreseeable future. It wouldn't take much of a catalyst for the whole world to simultaneously decide that a regime change is in order. At this point even Russia wouldn't bother stepping in the middle.
Picking a fight with a nuclear power that has about 1.5 billion people doesn't seem like a good idea.
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Chief Roundup 02:06 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Picking a fight with a nuclear power that has about 1.5 billion people doesn't seem like a good idea.
Not to mention they produce something like 80% of all pharmaceuticals or the raw materials to make those pharmaceuticals.
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petegz28 02:08 PM 04-01-2020
Rate of deaths is going the wrong way but some perspective, we've had almost 3 times as many recoveries in the last 24 hours as we have had deaths.
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DJ's left nut 02:08 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Ummmmm, no.
Eh - you'd have just had the EU 80 years earlier and hubbed out of Berlin instead of Brussels.

The idea that Europe would've just become one giant "Greater Germany" is a complete fiction. They'd have instilled some sort of top-down imperial oversight with the respective world leaders maintaining their titles and most of their authority. FFS, they were all related. Wilhelm, George and Nicholas were cousins - you think they'd have been put on a wall and shot?

The Nazi's never come to power, the Soviet Union never happens (Nicholas was bending more towards Democracy and had approached Wilson regarding democratization efforts) and the history of Britain and France probably doesn't change substantially.

There's no argument in favor of the Germans winning WWII - but there are a bunch of REAL good arguments in favor of them winning WWI. There are plenty against it as well, but I don't think there's a clear answer here. Especially had they been able to effectuate a knockout blow early in the campaign rather than bleed Europe and Russia white for 4+ years.
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BossChief 02:09 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.
JFC

What do you think the death tolls and numbers would be if we didnít put in all the restrictions that are currently in place?

Youíre a clown.
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petegz28 02:09 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Not to mention they produce something like 80% of all pharmaceuticals or the raw materials to make those pharmaceuticals.
That's the lesson to take away from all of this shit. I think it's time to bring the manufacturing of our medical devices and pharmaceuticals back to this country as a concern over national security.
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Monticore 02:12 PM 04-01-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
You'd be enjoying a weinerschnitzel right now.
Thanks for reminding me my Oktoberfest trip to Munich is probably not gonna happen.
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petegz28 02:12 PM 04-01-2020
Recovery numbers should really start taking off. We are seeing a lot of states just now starting to report their first recoveries.
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